911 Master Mind trained in Baghdad

Ralph 123

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A British report says Mohammed Atta, the master mind of 911, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal. The report cites hand written documents found in Baghdad belonging to a Iraqi Intellegence chief. They confirmed the handwriting is the Chief's. <br /><br />Speculation is Saddam killed Nidal just before the war to prevent him from being captured and spilling the beans.<br /><br />If true, this will prove that Saddam was directly involved with 911.<br /><br />Saddam brought Nidal to Iraq to set up terror cells to attack the USA.<br /><br />The Chief is still on the lose and is being sought by our troops.<br /><br />This was reported this evening on O'Reilly
 
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Don't know-for sure. Don't care. <br /><br />Saddam was a creep of the highest order.<br /><br />He'll get his.
 

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Watch the Dems spin out of control now. They were on the edge before. Now with Sadam captured I think there will be a flood of new info. It will be a real show to watch the remaining 8 go up in flame. Not much doubt now that Hillary will get her wish. Bush in '04 then she'll take a whack at it in '08. I want a front row seat. I've never in my life seen such a large bunch of lying, prevaricating, pure power seeking sob's.<br />No desire to govern a great nation in that group, just the lust for power. Any means to that end!
 

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Very well said!<br /><br />I just watched Chris Matthew (Hardball, MSNBC) ask, with conviction, why should people like him who were against the war, care that Saddam was captured? Can you imagine? There are a lot of people in this country who are sad to see the Butcher of Baghdad captured.
 

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"Chris Matthew "<br />Why does that not surprize me Ralph ?? <br />Waitress at coffee this afternoon I quote "It's just a double of him and a trick by Bush" I corrected her and said thats President Bush, Thank you.<br /><br />I'll shud-up now
 

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Sounds like she needs a Bill Clinton to 'take care' of her.<br /><br />Link, I'd be willin to wager that our very own State of Wa will go red this next Nov. Probably Oregon and Calif. too. I think it's going to be a massacre.
 

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We captured Saddam and that's good. But what has that got to do with anything as far as our war on terror. Bush still had no justification for invading a foriegn country. There has been no proven link between Saddam and the terrorists that struck on 9/11. Saddam was one of a handful of dictators from around the world who are brutal to their people, I don't see us doing anything about the injustices in Africa. All I see coming from this war is bad feelings everwhere I turn. I still see the US spending billions of dollars every month that your children will have to pay back.<br /><br />ANYONE BUT BUSH IN 2004
 

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George W. Bush: Africa’s important but not a priority; no nation-building <br />BUSH: Africa’s important. And we’ve got to do a lot of work in Africa to promote democracy and Q: Why not Africa? Why the Middle East? Why the Balkans but not Africa? <br />trade. It’s an important continent. But there’s got to be priorities. And the Middle East is a priority for a lot of reasons as is Europe and the Far East, and our own hemisphere. Those are my four top priorities should I be the president. It’s not to say we won’t be engaged [in Africa], and working hard to get other nations to come together to prevent atrocity [like in Rwanda]. I thought the best example of handling a [genocide] situation was East Timor when we provided logistical support to the Australians; support that only we can provide. I thought that was a good model. But we can’t be all things to all people in the world. I am worried about over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. I don’t think nation-building missions are worthwhile.
 

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Here is your direct link to 911<br /><br />Does this link Saddam to 9/11?<br />(Filed: 14/12/2003) <br /><br /> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...14.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/14/ixnewstop.html <br /><br />A document discovered by Iraq's interim government details a meeting between the man behind the September 11 attacks and Abu Nidal, the Palestinian terrorist, at his Baghdad training camp. Con Coughlin reports.<br /><br />For anyone attempting to find evidence to justify the war in Iraq, the discovery of a document that directly links Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks, with the Baghdad training camp of Abu Nidal, the infamous Palestinian terrorist, appears almost too good to be true.<br /><br />Ever since four hijacked civilian jets devastated the United States' eastern seaboard on September 11, 2001, there have been any number of reports circulating Western intelligence agencies suggesting that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had close links to al-Qaeda.<br /><br />Most of the claims relate to meetings between al-Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence to discuss co-operation on matters such as funding, training and equipment.<br /><br />Prior to the discovery of the document published today by the Telegraph, the most controversial report related to the suggestion that Atta had met Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, in Prague in April 2001.<br /><br />But while both President Bush and Tony Blair have dropped numerous hints that they believe there was a significant level of co-operation between Saddam and al-Qaeda, their respective intelligence agencies have actively sought to downplay the significance of the relationship, especially the suggestion that Saddam was in any way involved in the September 11 attacks.<br /><br />To this end America's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), with the backing of Britain's MI6, have poured scorn on Atta's Prague meeting.<br /><br />However, the tantalising detail provided in the intelligence document uncovered by Iraq's interim government suggests that Atta's involvement with Iraqi intelligence may well have been far deeper than has hitherto been acknowledged.<br /><br />Written in the neat, precise hand of Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and one of the few named in the US government's pack of cards of most-wanted Iraqis not to have been apprehended, the personal memo to Saddam is signed by Habbush in distinctive green ink.<br /><br />Headed simply "Intelligence Items", and dated July 1, 2001, it is addressed: "To the President of the Ba'ath Revolution Party and President of the Republic, may God protect you."<br /><br />The first paragraph states that "Mohammed Atta, an Egyptian national, came with Abu Ammer (an Arabic nom-de-guerre - his real identity is unknown) and we hosted him in Abu Nidal's house at al-Dora under our direct supervision.<br /><br />"We arranged a work programme for him for three days with a team dedicated to working with him . . . He displayed extraordinary effort and showed a firm commitment to lead the team which will be responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy."<br /><br />There is nothing in the document that provides any clue to the identity of the "targets", although Iraqi officials say it is a coded reference to the September 11 attacks.<br /><br />The second item contains a report of how Iraqi intelligence, helped by "a small team from the al-Qaeda organisation", arranged for an (unspecified) shipment from Niger to reach Baghdad by way of Libya and Syria.<br /><br />Iraqi officials believe this is a reference to the controversial shipments of uranium ore Iraq acquired from Niger to aid Saddam in his efforts to develop an atom bomb, although there is no explicit reference in the document to this.<br /><br />Habbush writes that the successful completion of the shipment was "the fruit of your excellent secret meeting with Bashir al-Asad (the Syrian president) on the Iraqi-Syrian border", and concludes: "May God protect you and save you to all Arab nations."<br /><br />While it is almost impossible to ascertain whether or not the document is legitimate or a clever fake, Iraqi officials working for the interim government are convinced of its authenticity, even though they decline to reveal where and how they obtained it. "It is not important how we found it," said a senior Iraqi security official. "The important thing is that we did find it and the information it contains."<br /><br />A leading member of Iraq's governing council, who asked not to be named, said he was convinced of the document's authenticity.<br /><br />"There are people who are working with us who used to work with Habbush who are convinced that it is his handwriting and signature. We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's dealings with al-Qaeda, and this document shows the extent of the old regime's involvement with the international terrorist network."<br /><br />This is the second document published by this newspaper that appears to highlight Saddam's links with al-Qaeda. Earlier this year the Telegraph published details of another Iraqi intelligence document that indicated Saddam's regime was attempting to set up a meeting with Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader, who was then based in Sudan.<br /><br />Intelligence experts point out that a memo such as that written by Habbush would of necessity be vague and short. "Trained intelligence officers hate putting anything down in writing," said one former CIA officer. "You never know where it might turn up."<br /><br />Certainly the memo's detail concerning Mohammed Atta and Abu Nidal fits in with the known movements of the two terrorists in the summer of 2001. Abu Nidal, the renegade Palestinian terrorist responsible for a wave of outrages in the 1980s, such as the 1985 bomb attacks on Rome and Vienna airports, was based in Baghdad, under Saddam's personal protection, for most of his career.<br /><br />Having briefly relocated to Libya, Abu Nidal returned to Baghdad at some point in early 2001. At the time it was assumed that Saddam had lured the Palestinian terrorist back to help the Iraqi leader plan a number of terrorist attacks aimed at destabilising American plans to remove him.<br /><br />In particular, Saddam wanted Abu Nidal to revive his network of "sleeper cells" in Europe and the Middle East to carry out a new wave of attacks. During 2001 Abu Nidal lived in a number of houses in the Baghdad area, including a spacious home in the al-Dora district where he is reported to have met Atta.<br /><br />The relationship between Abu Nidal and Saddam, however, quickly turned sour, mainly because - as the Telegraph reported at the time - the ageing Palestinian leader was reluctant to accede to Saddam's request to train al-Qaeda fighters in sophisticated terrorist techniques.<br /><br />Abu Nidal was murdered in August 2001, although the Iraqis tried to claim that he had committed suicide. Habbush appeared at a hastily arranged press conference in Baghdad in an attempt to persuade the sceptical Arab media that Abu Nidal had taken his own life after Iraqi investigators had uncovered a plot to assassinate Saddam.<br /><br />Although Western intelligence agencies have attempted to trace Atta's movements in the months preceding September 11, there remain several periods during which his precise whereabouts are unknown. Having moved to Florida from Hamburg in 2000, Atta is known to have made at least two trips from the US to Europe in 2001.<br /><br />In early January he flew to Madrid for a few days. His next confirmed trip was to Zurich in early July. In between, American investigators have concluded from a detailed examination of Atta's credit cards and phone records, that he spent most of the spring and early summer of 2001 in Florida, interspersed by occasional domestic trips. The only confirmed sighting of Atta during this period, however, was on April 26 when he was pulled over for a traffic violation in Florida.<br /><br />This traffic offence, taken with other evidence collated by FBI agents, is one of the reasons that CIA officials have discounted the report that Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague earlier in the month (the Czech authorities claim Atta was in Prague on April 8). Yesterday the New York Times reported that Ani, who was taken into US custody last July, had told American interrogators that he had not met Atta in Prague.<br /><br />"The Prague meeting does not appear very convincing," said Lorenzo Vidino, a terrorism analyst at The Investigative Project, a non-profit organisation that investigates international terrorism, in Washington. "But even if that meeting did not take place you have to remember that Atta used a large number of aliases when he travelled. It is not inconceivable that Atta slipped out of the US undetected sometime in the first half of 2001."<br /><br />The US Congressional report into the September 11 attacks states that Atta used 16 to 17 known aliases, although American intelligence experts concede that there may have been others.<br /><br />It is entirely conceivable, then, that Atta secretly made his way to Baghdad to undertake training with Abu Nidal a few months before the September 11 attacks. But as long as Saddam and his senior intelligence operatives remain at large, it is impossible to assess just how much they knew about, and were involved in, the planning and execution of the September 11 atrocities.
 

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Here are other reasons for invading Iraq<br /><br />1) Tried to assassinate a US President<br />2) Broke the terms of surrender after GW 1<br />3) Funded terrorist - provided $200M to the suicide bombers in Palestine - Brought Abu Nidal to Iraq to start sleeper cells to attack the US. Had terror training camps in Iraq.<br />4) Was one of the worst mass murderers in history - Killed over 3M people- used WMDs<br />5) Was a threat to the US - a madman with blood feud with the US.<br />6) Recently found silkworm missles with canisters on the heads which could only be used for serin gas<br />7) Paid $10M to North Koreans for No Dong missles which can carry nuclear war heads.<br /><br />Now maybe a direct tie to 911<br /><br />ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON<br /><br />Don't let your hatred of Bush or your ideaology blind you to the truth.
 

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Heya Ralph<br /><br />"I hope you stiffed her on her tip!"<br /><br />Would have but she changed the subject "real quick" so I left my normal tip.<br /><br />Boomyal <br /><br />You hit the nail on the head Bud. All during the CC years (Crooked Clinton) she was in complete denial. Everyone was just picking on him. Then again she says the same thing about her 4 sons.<br />22-28 years old and all still live at home and none of them work! But her reason for that is they can't hold steady jobs because everytime they go to jail they get fired! <br />The police are picking on her sons all time :rolleyes: <br />And your correct about the "Left Coast" WA, OR and CA! :eek: <br /><br />PS Ralph<br />Excellant Information IMO
 

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When you look back at all thats been done since 911, we're hurting them, them that declared war on us. We're breaking them up so they cant break us up, us as in me , you, your family, friends and countrymen, my family friends and countrymen, free men women and children everywhere. This is bigger than politics. It is frightening, the way the rhetoric of the 60's threatens to render us vulnerable to our enemies. How can you people believe that stuff after the twin towers were taken down? How can you not know that this threat we face is the real McCoy? How can you not realize that capturing Saddam takes a big bite out of crime? Were dropping a bomb in the middle east allright, the freedom bomb, and it's going to work. Speaking of rights, think everyone should have a right to healthcare, housing and a job? How about a fundamental right to freedom.
 

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New info Alert:<br /><br />Bin Ladan told Omar that all of Al Qaeda's resources are being directed to Iraq as the main battle against US and he (Osama) is cutting Omar's stippened down from $3M/month to $1.5M/month. Omar is looking for a way to turn himself in. Bin Laden is in Iran.<br /><br />So, no matter what you though of the war, it did indeed succeed in getting Al Qaeda to fight outside the US therefore, making us safer at home and causing Al Qaeda to attck people who are equipped to fight back.
 

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Ralph,<br /><br />I couldnt agree more !!!!! Make them fight us there instead of here.<br />Let them fight our armed forces instead of slaughtering women and children.<br /><br />Being ex-military, I see Iraq as a beach head. It is surrounded by our enemies. They are no longer free to plot terrorism without fear of retaliation from our troops who are already there.<br />Extremist are flocking to Iraq. This is great!! Bring them all !!!<br /><br />Folks, this is a war for our way of life -- and those of our children and grandchildren.<br />I look at my five year old grandaughter, and I dont care about being PC.
 

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TennCain <br /><br />You are PC :) .... were I come from. Dont concede to the media and libs that your not PC :( ... its they that are not PC. ;) Dont let these wolves and there flock of sheep mannipulate you or me into assuming a false negative term. :cool:
 

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"PC" has assumed a negative connotation to me Odd Job, but you are correct, the true politically correct position is what we are expressing here.
 

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Oh Ralph,<br /><br />Everyone has been asking why I have been looking for you on this forum, and this thread is one of the reasons I was searching you out.<br /><br />You always have had a more elegant way of saying things, than I.<br /><br />It's great having your knowledge and tenacity back on this forum.<br /><br />Remember, victory over terrorism is not over until every oppresive militant leader's of the world are removed from power, and a free and democratic society is established.<br /><br />This "War on Terrorism" will not be over until then, however long that it may take, or wherever in the world they may be!
 

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Who armed Saddam?<br /><br />From Lev Lafayette, 26 July 2002<br />1. The British Foreign Office's Report on Strategic Export Controls (released last night) shows that: <br /><br />a. Arms sales to Indonesia increased from #2m to #15.5m. Licences include all-wheel vehicles, components for aircraft cannon, combat aircraft and military aero-engines. This to a country that committed state-sponsored terror in East Timor. <br /><br />b. Arms sales to Pakistan increased from #6m to #14m. This to a military dictatorship that created the Taliban. <br /><br />2. In light of these figures, and the rhetoric of war against Iraq, some points need to be made. Given that Saddam is often described as a man who is willing to kill his own people by using chemical weapons, it's worth examining who armed him in the first place. <br /><br />3. In the 1970s, Saddam approached the USSR, until then his conventional weapons supplier, to buy a plant to manufacture chemical weapons, but his request was refused. Saddam then began courting the West, and received a much more favourable response. <br /><br />4. An American company, Pfaulder Corporation of Rochester, New York, supplied the Iraqis with a blueprint in 1975, enabling them to construct their first chemical warfare plant. The plant was purchased in sections from Italy, West Germany and East Germany and assembled in Iraq. It was located at Akhashat in north-western Iraq, and the cost was around $50 million for the plant and $30 million for the safety equipment. <br /><br />5. British, French and German multinationals turned the request down on moral grounds or because the Iraqi delivery schedule couldn't be met—not because their governments objected. <br /><br />6. The United States took other steps to ensure that Saddam's rule was strengthened. Mobile phone systems were mainly in the military domain at the time, but the United States government approved the 1975 sale by the Karkar Corporation of San Francisco of a complete mobile telephone system. The system was to be used by the Ba'ath Party loyalists to protect the regime against any attempts to overthrow it. <br /><br />7. The United States also supplied Saddam with satellite pictures of Iranian positions during the Iran-Iraq war. <br /><br />8. France provided Saddam with extended-range Super Etendard aircraft capable of hitting Iranian oil facilities in the lower Gulf. <br /><br />9. While Britain's Margaret Thatcher mouthed platitudes about not supplying either Iran or Iraq with lethal weapons, Britain's Plessey Electronics supplied Saddam with an electronic command center. <br /><br />10. Iraq was also able to buy French-built Mirage-1 aircraft and Gazelle and Lynx helicopters from the British company Westland. <br /><br />11. In 1976, while on a visit to France, Saddam concluded the purchase of a uranium reactor. Jacques Chirac, then the Prime Minister and now the President, approved the deal. The supplier was Commissart l'Energie Atomique (CEA) and the plutonium reactor was called Rhapsodie. France also signed a Nuclear Cooperation Treaty with France, providing for the transfer of expertise and personnel. <br /><br />12. In 1978, the Italian firm Snia Technit, a subsidiary of Fiat, signed an agreement with Iraq to sell nuclear laboratories and equipment. <br /><br />13. Whenever the declared policies of the Western countries stood in the way of an arms deal, Western governments used two methods to get around their own rules and thereby manage public opinion. <br /><br />a. The first method was the well-established use of the 'front'. Thus, Western governments supplied Saddam through the pro-West countries of Jordan and Egypt, which acted as a front for Iraq. This was done to overcome Congressional, parliamentary and press hurdles, even when it was obvious to military experts that Jordan and Egypt had no use for the weapons in question. Saddam also set up his own weapons buying offices in the West, with the knowledge of the host governments. For example, Matrix Churchill was a weapons purchasing company set up in Britain. <br /><br />b. The second method was to extend Saddam massive credits which he could then use for military purposes. Thus, the Banco di Lavoro in the United States gave Saddam US$4 billion worth of credits, ostensibly to buy food, but which was diverted to buy weapons with the knowledge of everyone involved. Britain's Export Credit Guarantee department kept increasing his credit and much of the money went to the direct purchase of arms. The French government guaranteed US$6 billion worth of loans to French arms makers to sell Saddam whenever he wanted. Whenever the declared policies of the Western countries stood in the way of an arms deal. <br /><br />14. When Saddam did in fact use chemical weapons against his own people, he did so on the afternoon of 17 March 1988, against the Kurdish city of Halabja. The United States provided diplomatic cover by initially blaming Iran for the attack. The Reagan Administration tried to prevent criticism of the atrocity. The Bush (senior) administration authorised new loans to Saddam in order to achieve the goal of increasing US exports and put us in a better position to deal with Iraq regarding its human rights record. <br /><br />15. The US Department of Commerce licensed the export of biological materials—including a range of pathogenic agents—as well as plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities and chemical-warhead filling equipment—to Iraq until December 1989, 20 months after the Halabja atrocity.
 
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