How Much Will The Compression Increase??

turtle1173

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Hi all,<br /><br /> I just got back from the machine shop with the head on my 1972 85HP Chrysler. The shop said it was very warped and they had to take 18 Thousandths off to make it level.<br /><br /> I am wanting to know how much the compression will increase on the 3 cylinders.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Shane
 

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Re: How Much Will The Compression Increase??

To calculate that you would need to know the existing volume of the cylinder head and the bore and stroke or, the pre-machined compression ratio and bore and stroke. You probably don't know the pre-machined compression ratio or the cylinder head volume. I will tell you that on a 1600 cc 4 cylinder honda removal of 40 thousandths increased the compression ratio from 9.2:1 to about 10.2:1. The comparison to your engine would not be exact because the combustion chambers are shaped different and the bore and strokes are not identical but 18/40 = 0.45 so you might reasonably expect to raise the compression ratio approximately half a point from what it was. The big question is whether that would be enough in your particular engine to cause any detonation (pre-ignition). You would probably want to go up 1 grade of gas if you use that head. The other option is to look for another used head that is not as warped and have your machinist redo it not more than 5 thousandths which would not require any changes in octane or worries.
 

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Re: How Much Will The Compression Increase??

Jimd,<br /><br /> I'm not really sure how to figure all of that :eek: You said, "you might reasonably expect to raise the compression ratio approximately half a point from what it was." Does that mean that if the compression was 100, that it would now be 150??<br /><br /> Also, why would using a higher octane gas make a difference?<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Shane
 

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We're talking 2 different but related things. Compression is the measurement in psi or metric equivalent of the static pressure in a non-firing cylinder and is generally used to determine how well the piston and rings (and valves in a 4-stroke) are sealing the cylinder. The compression ratio is the ratio of the cylinder + head volume to the head volume (head being defined as the cylinder head volume + gasket volume + whatever is left at the cylinder at the top of the stroke). A compression ratio of 10:1 means that there is 10 times the volume in a cylinder at bottom dead center compared to the volume in the cylinder at top dead center. <br /><br />Each engine is different and by reducing the volume in the cylinder head by shaving it 0.018 you have changed the compression ratio. If your engine had a pre-machined compression ratio of 8:1, you may have changed it to a compression ration of 8.5:1 by your machining the head.<br /><br />If you have perfectly sealing pistons (which you don't) the compression measured in a compression test would go up. In an old engine or in a bad cylinder some or most of the increased compression will be lost in the poor sealing of the piston. A bad cylinder won't increase as much as a good one.
 

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Re: How Much Will The Compression Increase??

Turtle...the piston dome is quite close to the spark plug on these motors so by milling the head you may have to use the surface gap plugs on this motor...that would be Champion L20V...I've used them and they work just fine...just a Thought
 

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Re: How Much Will The Compression Increase??

Jimd, thanks for the further explanation. I'm not going to pretent that I understand everything you said but it makes much more sense now :) Could you explain a little about the increase in octane when you get the time?<br /><br />Thought, my Seloc calls for the L20V anyway, so that's what I already had in it. Hopefully they will continue to work.<br /><br /> From all of this, I gather that it is really impossible to try and guess how much it will actually go up since we are not dealing with a perfect situation. That certainly makes sense, although it would of been nice if someone could have just said, "Oh yeah, it will go up 20 psi in each cylinder."<br /><br /> I ordered a new head gasket this past Tuesday, so hopefully it will be here soon so I can find out.<br /><br /> I always thought I liked to fish but if "time spent" is any indication, I must really like to work on outboards. :D <br /><br />Shane
 

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Re: How Much Will The Compression Increase??

Octane rating is a way of rating a fuels ability to ignite and burn in a controlled fashion at the appropriate time and not detonate prior to spark ignition (pre-ignition :mad: ). If there are hot spots (like sharp edges in the combusiton chamber) or if the compression is high enough the fuel may ignite prior to spark (like a diesel). Also if your ignition timing is too far advanced the mixture may ignite and detonate instead of burn and you get the same result (detonation :mad: ). <br /><br />Certain additives to gas reduce this tendency. Octane which is an 8 carbon chain hydrocarbon was arbitrarily set as the standard of 1 or 100% or "100 octane". Any fuel when measured against octane is either worse (less than 100), equal to (=100), or better (greater than 100) than pure octane. <br /><br />If you increase your compression ratio, you may have to increase your octane (it depends on how much you increased the compression ratio). If your engine needed 87 octane before it might need 89 octane now. It might not if it only needed 85 and you were using 87 but we don't know exactly what was required before. Detonation is hard to detect in 2-stroke OBs at WOT. You could retard your ignition timing and use 89 or 93 octane as a safeguard. Or you can find another cylinder head as I mentioned above.
 

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Re: How Much Will The Compression Increase??

Hi all,<br /><br /> I thought that someone out there might be interested in the results of my experiences, so here it is.<br /><br /> My engine purred beautifully today and didn't miss a beat. I ran it for 20 minutes (under load to the fishing hole) and back. I was so proud :D <br /><br /> Anyway, as soon as I got out of the water I took the compression readings.<br />#1- 140<br />#2- 125<br />#3- 150<br /><br /> So not exactly even but quite a bit better than ever before. I mixed more oil in with the gas than I normally do (45:1 instead of 50:1). The spark plugs looked fine also.<br /><br />Thanks a bunch everyone!<br /><br />Shane
 

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Glad to see everthing worked out. You be cruisin.
 
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