Somebody help PLEASE!!!

[kfa4303]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

Hello again Rather. If you had fuel coming out of the carb, that means it's flooding due to a stuck float needle. It's fairly common, especially if the carb hasn't been cleaned/rebuilt in a while. To fix it, you'll need to take the carb apart and make sure that the float needle seats properly. Here's a great link that can walk you through a carb rebuild very similar to yours. If you need a rebuild kit, you can get one right here at iboats for about $20.

http://www.outboard-boat-motor-repa...hnson 5.5 HP 1954-1964 Carburetor Tune-UP.htm

 

[Rather.B.Fishin]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

Alright, I completely rebuilt the carb, everything is brand new. I made sure the float was perfectly level and the float needle seats perfectly. I prime gas tank and it pours fuel again. Cant figure this out. I feel like there's something easy that I'm missing or doing wrong. Sorry for all the rookie trouble guys

 

[kfa4303]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

Where is the gas coming out? Is it the throat, or around the needles themselves? If it is the main throat, then that's a stuck float needle, if there is gas coming out around the needles, I would check the packing. It can sometimes take a few tries to get it just right. Make sure that the little wire clip that holds the float needle is in the proper place too. As you said, it's a very simple little gizmo, so there are only a few things that can go wrong. Be systematic and fix one item at a time, check it, then move on to the next fix if need be. Hang in there. You'll get it.

 

[nwcove]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

you may have to set the float a bit " off level" to get it to seat the needle a bit sooner.

 

[Rather.B.Fishin]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

The gas is coming out of the throat. I'll readjust and give it a try. If that doesnt work we'll do it again One of these days I'll get this old girl to fire.

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

As nwcove stated, I personally never set my floats level. I always have the unhinged end slightly higher than the hinged end to ensure that the needle seats and does not flood.

 

[delacruz]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

I have 1987 85 force outboard it was starting good and starter went bad i toke off n replace now looks like loose power to ignition box what can could be

 

[QC]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

Hello delacruz. Welcome aboard. Please start your own thread in the Force section. You'll get a more focused response that way, and then this thread can stay with the OP's issue. Thanks

 

[Daviet]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

delacruz, you might want to post your question in the force forum, might get better results.

 

[JB]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

delacruz, welcome to iboats.

You have broken 2 rules here. You have hijacked someone else's thread and you have posted a Force question in the Johnson/Evinrude forum.

Please review our rules and start a thread of your own in the Chrysler/Force Forum.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=397820

Thanks for your cooperation, and good luck.

 

[Rather.B.Fishin]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

Alright guys, I finally got some time to work on the engine again. Reset my float so that the needle would seat sooner and it fixed the flooding problem. Gave her a couple pulls and after a few backfires I pulled and she acted like she wanted to start. A couple pulls later she did the same thing. Its like she really wants to fire up but after turning a few times she dies. Any ideas?

 

[kfa4303]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

Hello again Rather. Glad you got the carb sorted out. Now on to backfires. They are usually the result of a faulty ignition and/or an overheated motor. I would start with the basics and make sure that the correct s'plug wire is going to the correct plug and cylinder. The top/#1 spark plug wire usually has a small metal clip/band crimped on to it. However, it may have fallen off over the years, in which case you'll need to trace the path of each wire. The top/#1 cylinder should be connected to the forward most s'plug wire, which is in turn connected to the forward most coil on the magneto. Thankfully, there are only two ways the wires can go; right and wrong. If it's wrong, flip 'em and it'll be right Here's are some great ignition rebuild links that may help. If this doesn't do it, holler back and we'll take it from there. Also, be sure you're testing the motor in a tank with water filled to about and inch, or so below the main exhaust port on the back of the motor.


http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=506678&page=2&highlight=spark+plug+wire

http://www.outboard-boat-motor-repa...on 3 HP 1952-1967 Ignition System Tune-up.htm

 

[Rather.B.Fishin]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

I recently replaced everything under the flywheel. Coils, points, condensers and spark plug wires. Should I go back under there and make sure the points are gapped at .020 still? Would this make a difference? Would this explain why it will start for a few seconds and then die?

 

[nwcove]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

i wouldnt go back under the flywheel just yet. the static settings for the needles is just a rough place to begin, and every engine is a bit different. try backing off the ls needle another half turn and see how the engine responds. if it gets worse, go back to where it back fires and turn it in a half turn, and again note how it reacts. i do believe you're close to getting the old girl to purr.

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

What is the compression?

Have you tested spark with an inline tester set to 3/8"? Will it jump the gap with a bright blue ZAP!!?

What did you torque the flywheel to after the tune up?

 

[Rather.B.Fishin]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

Ill give that a shot nwcove. High Trim the compression was at 119psi on both cylinders. I havent tested it with a spark tester, just the good ol ground it the block and look for blue I torqued the flywheel to 65 lb/ft

 

[Rather.B.Fishin]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

SHE RUNS!!!! After readjusting the float and adjusting the carb needles all she needed was for me to lean heavy on the throttle the first few times I started her up. Now she starts first or second pull every time.

Next Problem!!! The prop is turning really fast in neutral and I dont see that the impeller is functioning. Is the prop turning this fast normal? And should I see water shooting out from the impeller?

 

[nwcove]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

"SHE RUNS" is good! but not pumping water is not so good! can you get it to idle somewhat slow? when you say the prop is turning really fast.....is it actually pushing water with force or just kind of turning? anywho, address the the impeller issue,. hopefully someone will chime in on the prop spinning "really fast".

 

[kfa4303]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

If the prop is spinning that makes me think that it may be in gear in which case you may want to check the shift rod linkage behind the little window on the side of the exhaust leg. You can also check the gear function without running the motor. Start by removing the spark plugs, then put the motor into FWD. You should be able to rotate the prop about 1/4 of a turn clockwise before you feel it engage. Next, put the motor into REV. You should be able to rotate the prop about 1/4 of a turn counterclockwise before it again engages. Finally, put the motor into NEU. At this point, the prop should spin freely either clockwise or counterclockwise. You can also check to see if the gears are working properly by selecting a gear and rotating the flywheel CLOCKWISE only, slowly by hand, again with the plugs removed. In FWD, you should see the prop spin clockwise, in REV you should see it rotate counterclockwise, in NEU the prop should not spin at all. Be sure you are running the motor in a test tank with water filled up to about and inch, or two below the main exhaust port. These old motors can't be run on muffs. If it still runs without pumping water, shut it down immediately until you solve the problem. Often times, the copper water uptake tube is improperly seated on either the top of the impeller housing and/or the underside of the motor. Good luck. Keep us posted.

 

[Rather.B.Fishin]

Re: Somebody help PLEASE!!!

I dropped the lower unit and the shift rod linkage was completely disconnected. I checked to make sure everything was clear for the water intake and exhaust. Best I can figure is that one of the water tubes wasn't seated correctly as kfa4303 said. Didn't have time to reassemble it all today but that should just about do it. Hopefully I'll get to water test this weekend. Thanks for the help guys, i'll keep u posted with the results