1985 50hp points gap

fixin

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hi,bought boat last week off ebay,ordered secon man.cleaned points and set at ol-matchbook cover.spark seems weak and won't idle,tried adjusting carb whith no luck,i don't have man. yet. any help would be great ,thanks :)
 

12Footer

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

Welcome to iboats.If you can get it to run on mixture sprayed directly into the carb from a spray bottle, replace fuel pump diaphram, or strip and clean the carb.
 

fixin

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

engine will start when throttled up and seems to rev up ok,but won't idle,getting ready to pull carb. off and clean,I dropped bowl and it looked clean,that's why I Questioned the weak looking spark?
 

scotiany

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

If it were me,I'd take 12footer's advice. It sure sounds like a fuel delivery problem.
 

fixin

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

Thanks for the input!I'm going to try cleaning the carb,,,as soon as it stops raining here long enough to get the carb off whithout getting soaked.This seems to be a cool site,I've been playing around with boat motors for awile,but never messed with a Force. :)
 

fixin

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

well I'm back I cleaned carb ,fuel filter and flushed line,I didn't take fuel pump apart because I'm out of gasket paper and didn't want to take the chance.The moter has trouble starting at fast idle but does.I'm wondering if prev. owner messed whith timing(plier marks on adj.rod)the motor still won't idel anybody have any suggestions? Thanks :(
 

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

That's possible, I supose. But not likely, as the timing never drifts-away from what it is set at. So there would be no need to futz with it to begin with. If the guy didn't know what he was doing, then yes, perhaps it would be time to place a timing light on it, and re-adjust idle-only settings. Timing tracking thru the power band is not very much fun, esecilly if you are by yourself.<br /><br />But the fuel pump is primary,next to what it runs off of (compression). This fuel pump was not designed to hold-up to alcohol-enhanced fuels. Alcohol eats rubber,which is the diaphram material. The fuel pump can be removed, rebuilt, and reinstalled in less than an hour in most cases, and once you are familiar with the procedure, you can do it in 10minutes at sea...If you're very carefull not to drop anything. :D <br />Get a compression gauge and test it, and rebuild the fuel pump. But the fuel pump runs from pulses of compression and vacuum.<br />no compression, poor pump operation, no idle.<br />Recheck that you have spark,however weak it appears, to both cylinders, because this motor, like all other multi-cylinder 2cycle outboards, will run on one, and die under load. But with only two cylinders, it will also "chug" like a harley with bad valves.
 

fixin

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

thanks 12 footer,do you know who carries this kit I couldn't find it on iboats or mastertech.compesion is 100psi at both cyl.motor is running on both,it seems to run good except start and idle
 

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

You can order the fuel pump kit from NAPA. Part number 18-7806. Dont mess with the press fit fuel valve gaskets. If you get them out you will problably break at least one. The kit goes for about 10 bucks and has the diaphram you need
 

fixin

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Re: 1985 50hp points gap

Thanks eurolava,I found it this morning in the parts finder and ordered it,I hope that's it.Thanks again :cool:
 
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