1984 honda CR500....no spark

brother chris

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My friend has a 1984 Honda CR500 with no spark from the spark plug. I am not sure how to check the coil, if there is a way. <br />Or is there another way to check and see why there is no spark. <br />We have compression and gas, but that is it. <br />Any ideas out there? <br />This is an awesome bike. 500cc and it is a 2 stroke. It has to be fixed. We must play.<br />Thanks in advance.<br />Brother Chris.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Should be a coil under the gas tank possibly under the seat.<br />Should also be a stator under the cover on the side by the brake pedal I think. It has been many years since I have raced these. <br />Get a book or find someone that can tell you the correct way to test the stator. It will be under the aluminum round peice that says Honda on it just above the foot peg I believe.<br />First check the wiring for the kill switch
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

yes, we found the stator under the tank. I thought that was the coil though.<br /> My friend does not want to buy a book. He says it is a waste of $. I disagree, but told him I would try to help him figure it out.<br />I'll post tomorrow after we check it out. Maybe I can get him to buy a manual.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Good luck,I had a CR 490 we called<br />"The Bone Crusher".Awesome bike.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Did you check the kill switch?
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

My buddy had to work today so I printed this off and left it on his bike. I will see him on the weekend and help him with it. <br />Cheers,<br />B.C.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Chris-you can check the coil easily,just attatch the -ve ground to a battery earth of the correct voltage battery and quickly brush the +ve teminal with the other contact. If it's ok you'll see a spark but it won't be very strong as you won't have a condenser inline. You'll need a manual to check/set the rest of the ignition if the coil shows up as being ok. Not sure if the early CR's are electronic ignition or contact breaker-if they are contact breaker replace the condenser as a matter of course-they are real cheap to do as a car one will work just as well. You may have to put it somewhere other than under the timing cover due to size .
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Contact/breaker ignition on a dirtbike? I've never heard of such a thing.<br /><br />I'll admit, I've never worked on a CR500, but I have spend many hours wrenching ATVs, including my 1986 TRX250R 4-wheeler, and I would imagine the ignition to be very similar, that is, CDI (capacitive discharge)<br /><br />My own shop manual did not give a procedure for checking the CDI. Rather, the CDI troubleshooting procedure involves checking everything ELSE in the ignition system (pulse trigger, stator coils, ground/kill switch, ignition coil). If everything else checks out good, replace the CDI unit by process of elimination.<br /><br />In my opinion, a repair manual is a necessity to properly troubleshoot, especially the ignition system. You don't always know which wires correspond to which components, and you may not know what resistance values to look for when testing with a multi-meter.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Thanks guys. Did not get the bike going yet. My bud says he is going to take it to a shop instead of trying to fix it. <br />I guess he thought I could get some magical information to get it going. <br />I will post later on and let you guys know what the problem was. <br />Maybe I will look at the CR500 when he is not around. Maybe I can figure it out. :D
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Originally posted by wilkin250r:<br /> Contact/breaker ignition on a dirtbike? I've never heard of such a thing.<br /><br />
Early jap stuff had contact breakers-mostly before decent CDI was available. CR500's were available before and after the crossover.<br /><br />It wasn't unknown for people to convert to contact breaker on dirtbikes over here either-mainly due to the lack of spares availability in the UK for them.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

thanks Dolluper, for the links. I printed off all of the stuff I could find. Will show it to my bud and see if we can get it going this weekend. <br />If all else fails, it is going to the shop Sat afternoon. <br />Thanks again everyone. All you guys rock!
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

NO problem glad to help you did notice you have to have good enough cranking speed to get the CDI to fire up [300rpm I think it was] much similar to boats but at least you can push start the bike be good exercise too ,been there done that
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Originally posted by Nos4r2:<br />Early jap stuff had contact breakers-mostly before decent CDI was available. CR500's were available before and after the crossover.
But in 1984? I know that CDI was used on Honda 3-wheelers in 85, and the 4-wheelers in 86. I don't know for sure, but I would assume the CDI ignition would have been in use before 1984, I can't imagine they were new in 85 for use on the ATCs.<br /><br />As for the original issue, a shop is almost foolproof, but it's also going to be expensive. I would recommend "wasting" money on a repair manual and doing some basic diagnostics before sending it in to a shop. Many times these issues are as simple as a bad connection, and simply pulling the connecter apart to check it, and then reconnecting is often enough to fix the problem. This is the experience of an Electrical Engineer talking, and I can't even count how many times I've "fixed" problems just by pulling connections apart and putting them back together again, and many of those occasions have been on my ATVs.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Go figure, I call my bud to let him know I printed some stuff off the net for him and he tells me he has a manual all along :mad: <br />Why am I doing all this if he already has the info? Says he just found it. <br />I guess that is good news, but how frustrating!<br />I'll let you all know how it goes on the weekend. Hopefully we can get it going now. <br />Thanks.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Originally posted by wilkin250r:<br />
Originally posted by Nos4r2:<br />Early jap stuff had contact breakers-mostly before decent CDI was available. CR500's were available before and after the crossover.
But in 1984? I know that CDI was used on Honda 3-wheelers in 85, and the 4-wheelers in 86.
Bear in mind that in the UK the jap spares availability for mx bikes was atrocious in the 80's and 90's-I had to wait 5 months for a NEW cylinder head for a cr125 in 1988 so people would retro fit (or just plain bodge) almost anything over here just to keep it running. <br />You may well be right.
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

Hey Chris you sit on it get him to push let him get the exercise maybe do it a couple of times with the kill switch on just for practice, :D :D
 

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Re: 1984 honda CR500....no spark

This bike should have CDI. That is most likely the culprit. The last of these I worked on, the part cost more than the bike was worth, kind of like throwin a $100 saddle on a $10 horse. <br />There are a lot of aftermarket parts now available though that should be better priced than back in the day. I haven't worked on bikes since I was racing them back in the 80's.
 
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