Gale 1953 needs help.....

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Hello all.
I need some help. I have a 53 gale 5hp sold by montgomry ward and produced as a sea king. twin cylinder two stroke. don't know much about how to improve it. The motor runs but it seems slow. I open it up and it seems to fall on its face. My questions are... 1. How fast should this motor be pushing a my 14 foot sea king aluminum wards boat (very lightweight)? 2. Would parts be something of a hassle to find? 3. The tag says 1/2 pint oil to 1 gal of fuel, is this mix the most optimum or should I cut back on the oil? 4. What would be a good oil mix? 5. Can I get parts from small engine shops or am i stuck to looking online? I realize this is a bit much, I just don't know much about boat motors.

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Joe
 
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Re: Gale 1953 needs help.....

Howdy, Joe.

Welcome to iboats. :)

Your engine is probably the same as the Johnson TN-27 or TN-28.

Use a 24:1 mix with TC-W3 oil. That would be 1 qt oil to 6 gallons gasoline.

Good luck. :)
 
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You can get an owners manual for your 53 Sea King from Acme Outboards, www.acmeoutboards.com
Nice stout little motors. As the others have said, parts are still readily available. The stumbling could be due to coils, or just a dirty/untuned carb. Both are easy to remedy. Good luck.
 
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Your motor your motor is a 5S10 straight drive.I believe it shares ignition parts with the E/J motors but the similarity ends there.You can peek through the inspection hole in the flywheel to check the condition of the coils (noted for cracking)replacements available.If it starts promptly and runs pretty well with the exception of speed you may just need to adjust the highspeed needle valve.The large knob on the front.You may need to remove the knob and primer linkageto start with the initial setting.1/2 turn out from gently bottomed.Be sure the throttle is opening fully.Also check your compression 100 PSI is ideal but you will probably see something around 60 PSI.If you rig an extension handle and sit in the middle seat it should plane fairly easily.probably run 12 to 15 mph.
 
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5hp Sea Kings for 1953:
35GG9014A (5S10) Straight Drive
35GG9015A (5D10) Neutral Clutch

The neutral clutch shares the lower unit with Johnson TN models.

Both share the magnetos with J/E
Both share recoil starters (except housings) with J/E

There was an Evinrude that shared most everything else, but the model escapes me at the moment.

There are a ton of those old Gales out there, most still running great. I have a '58 3hp. Ran it this past weekend.
 
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A few mor questions about my 53 gale...

A few mor questions about my 53 gale...

thanks a bunch everyone. I was wondering though, a j/e dealer would have these parts? and what about internals are those going to be similar to the j/e's? IE reeds and rings etc.... also once its warm the thing starts with one pull, but it doesn't like to sit, cold start is a real pain.

oh and it is a 35GG-9014a strait drive.

thanks again everybody, this doesn't sound like to hard of a resto.

joe
 
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Some dealers will have the parts, just have to check locally. If not, places like the mall here at Iboats will have them. The stubborn cold start could be due to a slightly dirty carb/fuel system or dirty points that need to be cleaned/dressed and regapped. Should pop off and go on about the 2nd or 3rd pull when cold if the fire/fuel/air supply are in good shape. Let us know how it goes.
 
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Do you know how to cold-start it? Those things are famous for starting up cold with one pull. Lots of $$ bets have been won that way. The secret is the primer instead of a choke. With a choke, you have to pull several times to get a rich mixture sucked in to cold start. With a primer you just slop the gas in so it's already there when you give it a tug. Not very tidy but hey, it works!

Turn the knob to prime and hold it there till the carb overflows. Then turn it back just far enough to let the float pin come up. Give it a pull and go. Open 'er up and set the knob for smothest running.

Of course, none of this will help if those coils are cracked.
 
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The only parts shared with E/J are the ignition parts,some available here, and
the clutch lower unit shared with the Johnson TN models.
However the other parts are shared with the many private brands built by Gale.
 
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I have the 1954 version of that motor. I also have a good service manual which has helped me keep mine running. Years ago it would lose power the longer I ran it until I finally replaced the coils. I like it far better than my much newer B&S 5 hp motor. To me, the twin 5 Sea King has a lot more power. Mine is pushing a 1975 12' Sea King aluminum boat.
 
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the gale is alive and well.....

the gale is alive and well.....

I thank you all for your help. I pulled the flywheel and checked, crossed my fingers, new coils new every thing. pretty good shape. found that the sucker was running on one cylinder.... trolling pretty well by the way. So I regaped the points .020, plugs @ 1mm and flooded the carb, low and behold.... one pull that thing purrrs like a kitten. I have a new recoil spring on the way but for now the emergency start does the job.

Oh by the way the recoils springs have changed and i think a little modify will be in order for the new one. Also a little advice to anyone listening don't over tighten anything.... be very very careful..... I thank you all again for your help. happy vintage boating to all.. you know i had some old broad tell me to deep six this motor and get something a little newer.. dont think i'll be deep sixing this any time soon...


Happy boating. thanks again.
Joe Z
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Re: the gale is alive and well.....

Boy, did you get lucky! A word of warning about tightening though. The flywheel and crankshaft tapers must be clean and dry and the nut torqued to 40-45 ft/lbs or the key will shear and tear up both the crank and flywheel.

Let us know if you have to modify that recoil spring. That's how we learn too.
 
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recoil spring adventures....

recoil spring adventures....

Ok. got the new recoil spring. Very similar but very different. I have tried to attach pictures. Basicly the eyelet for the counter hold is dfferent. The original was a triangle shape, the new one is a circle. So I just wedged the circle before the counter hold point, between the counter hold and the outside of the spring chamber. Not to difficult once I got my vise grips and a few zip ties. So, just to recap the new spring is not the same but it will work. part #18-6501 is the one I ordered. seems to recoil just fine. Thanks again for all your help.

Happy boating

Joe

ps. cant attach pics. seems to be to big of a file.
 
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Re: Gale 1953 needs help.....

also had to notch the spring figured that out once i put it on the starter assembly. the new spring is too wide at the counter hold point. my suggestion, buy a couple of springs so you don't get stuck with a brand new broken spring.
 
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