what wood for stringers???

alloffroad

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I am going to replace the stringers in my 14' fiberglass. What is the best wood to use? Hardwood, treated(greenplate), or some kind of marine wood. If it is marine wood should I glue several pieces of ply together or is there a 2X4 or whatever size they are? I have not yet opened up the floor cavity, but since it was full of rain water when I got it I am assuming they are rotten.
 

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Most boat manufacturers use cedar. However the wooden aspect of your stringer system is just there as a "mold" for the outer fiberglass. That is where your strength is. You could probably use anything you wanted except wet lumber. Weight is a boats worse enemy. When it can be avoided it will help with everything from fuel economy to speed to being able to carry more 'stuff'. So that is where the cedar comes into play, it's light.
Just because your boat is full of water doesn't necessarily mean your stringers are rotten. If the outer glass is intact then you won't have any water penetration. No water = no rot. Get the water out and make a couple of small bore holes through the glass into the wood itself. If indeed is does come out wet then you need to progress with a repair plan. No need to go to panic mode one until you see the results. :D
 

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Re: what wood for stringers???

My boat is a 58 dorsett eldorado. It has a raised section in the floor, I imagine just to put in stringers. The rest of the boat is solid fiberglass. The raised section has a couple of holes in the top and it is hollow inside. This is where the water was. The small screw that is the drain for this was still in place so the water just sat. I will begin cutting this raised section open this weekend a little at a time just incase this turnes out to be something else. I can't seem to find any good pictures of other dorsetts like mine that show the inside in detail so every thing I do will be a guessing game. I have done a lot of reading here over the last week and have got a lot of good info so I think I am ready to begine. I am in no hurry to get this thing in the water. I figure next spring will be a good goal.
 

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Could you post some pic's ?
 

alloffroad

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Re: what wood for stringers???

I will take pictures as soon as I can. I tried to post pictures but they must have been to high a resolution so I need to take more. Fortunately I am having a root canal done today so I will do it later this week.
 

iwombat

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Must be some new use of the term "fortunately" I'm not familiar with.
 

lexkyboater

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Is that kind of like the worst day fishing is better than any day working? :)
 

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Nothing can possibly be worse than the dentist's chair. I was just there for a 2 1/2 hour extraction for one tooth. I guess "fortunately" it wasn't 3 hours.
 

vandy21

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Re: what wood for stringers???

I believe Douglas Fir is a good wood for stringers.
 

alloffroad

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Canal done. Not to bad, I guess. Anyways, what ever wood I use should I treat it with a water sealer of some sort?
 

RobDar

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Re: what wood for stringers???

I seem to remember coming across an epoxy/filler to replace wood stringers...
 

alloffroad

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Re: what wood for stringers???

I don't know much about the stuff but it seems it would add a lot of weight, pouring it in such large amounts. From what I have read you basicly replace the wood with seacast. A 12 foot 2X4 that is redwood, cedar, doug fir, whatever has got to be a lot lighter than 768 cubic inches of seacast. And that is only 1 stringer. My numbers could be wrong but all in all seacast is a liquid when poured then hardens. It has to be heavier.
 

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Cedar, cypress and redwood are all oily woods that resist water damage well. Cypress is one of the top choices in my neck of the woods. It grows in swamps (which we have plenty of) and is virtually impervious to water damage. Cedar is also a good choice. Oily. Redwood is expensive, but the other two ain't cheap either . As a journeyman carpenter, I don't think I'd put KD doug fir in a boat. It's not much harder than balsa wood. Sure, it's light, but once kiln dried, it soaks water like a sponge. Ever been in an attic to repair a leaking roof and seen or felt what a rotten doug fir timber looks-feels like? Or torn out a leaking tub or toilet that had fir framing behind it? It's fine for framing walls in a house that will never see a drop of water, but it's not necessarily strong-horizontal sheer strength. KD doug fir is used extensively in the trades where a lightweight structure is needed. It derives its strength from being stood on end, IE wall studs. Not laid down horizontally, like floor joists or boat stringers. Good old SYP lumber, or southern yellow pine, is sappy, heavy, and strong, as compared to fir. But it will rot, as will any conifer. It also splits easier, when nailing or screwing. My 2 cents worth. I am going to order cypress to replace my stringers with. KR
 

das fisch

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Re: what wood for stringers???

has anyone tried making up some laminated stringers from ply? figure this would have great strength, as it's seen in building industry's laminated beams constantly.
 

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Just a guess, but probaly worth a shot. If you have the time and tools. In the mfg process that Weyerhauser uses, the joining ply's are overlapped about 1" , glued with God knows what, then the laps are forced together with incredible hydraulic presses. If you're really serious about a strong lam-beam, a plain jane butt joint wouldn't do. It would have to be a half lap. The length of the lap would have to be double the height of the intended stringer, or more. IE 3 1/2" stringer, 7" lap each way, minimum. Without a table saw and a dado blade, I wouldn't even try it.


>Material removed from ******<
****************0000000000000000000000000000000000 (ply 1)
----------------------------------------------------------- (adhesive)
**************************00000000000000000000000 (ply 2)
>Material removed from 0000000<

Kinda crude, but a keyboard is a limited way to draw something.

KR
 

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Re: what wood for stringers???

I have done some reading in other forums and found a lot of people that say the strength in stringers comes from the fiberglass, as long as it is done correctly. Some people use foam for the core(as a mold) and just fiberglass around it. If you prep right and use layers of 3oz mat and 24oz woven rovings and the right epoxy, the glass should be stronger than wood any ways. If this is right, I think foam, the white ridged kind that christmas tree balls are made of, would be easier to fit to the contours of the floor of a boat. This foam also will not suck up water and hold it if it does get wet. Any comments on this theory?
 

gcboat

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Re: what wood for stringers???

No, you're right on track. The actual strength does come from the glass, not the wood. If you do what your plan is then you should have no problems at all. I would do a little research on exactely what type of foam to use. I'm thinking that Xmas stuff is an open cell, really brittle material. It takes nothing to snap it. Lots of boat yards use closed cell foam blocks as boat stands ,that might be what you need. You would want something to maintain its shape and has some integrity. I'm also thinking that the other stuff will be eaten away by the resin and the glass cloth would just sag away without any support under it ( before it kicks off ).
 

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use (3) 4 x 8 marine plywood sheets

use (3) 4 x 8 marine plywood sheets

see my post a few under yours titled "77 crestliner" it worked perfect, was inexpensive and is strong as heck!
 

barbwire44

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Re: what wood for stringers???

Why not beside the cost, use aluminum square tubing seems to me it would be 1/2 the weight and more strength???
 
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