Boating on the great lakes

nitsuj

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I'm curious about something. Is there a generally accepted size that is safe on the great lakes, specifically, Erie? The reason I ask is that you see lots of people talking about going to Erie, and just as often you see people warning them their set-up isn't big enough to be safe. But anytime I'm up there, I see lots of people out in boats much smaller than I know is safe.

So, exactly waht size and type of boat is reasonably safe there, given normal conditions? I'm not talking about weathering storms. Lets assume you're clearing out if strong weather approaches, what is safe? 19 foot run about? 21 foot cuddy?

I know when I was a kid I was out there in a 16-17 foot bass boat with an older relative.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

On Lake Superior the freighter Edmund Fitzgerald was apparently not safe enough. Storms come up in a hurry and I've heard Captains of ocean-going vessels talk about how amazed they are at how quickly and how violent the Great Lakes can get. On glass-smooth water a 16 footer would obviously be ok. But trying to get back to port in a storm that popped up brings a totally different scenario.
 

nitsuj

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

Well, I know some of you folks are floating on Erie. And I know you don't all own freighters or only go out in glass smooth waters, so is there something in between? Obviously, in the right conditions any boat can sink or be unsafe.
 

Bondo

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

I've got a 21' Starcraft Islander,.... A Cuddy Cabin boat........
I live on the extreme Northeast corner of Lake Ontario,......
I'll venture out 20 miles or more when fishing.......
While I'm planning to move up to 25',......... I wouldn't want a boat Smaller than I have now.....
It's more about the more comfortable ride than any Safety factors......
 

Salmonseeker

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

I have a 16 footer and I mainly fish Lake Ontario, my previous boat was a 14 footer. There are plenty of boats this size out here that often venture miles off shore.

You just have to use common sense and pay attention to the weather and especially the wind. I have been out many times when I had to stop fishing because the water became to rough to safely fish from my boat, again common sense. I guess you get use to the waves though. If the waves are under 3 feet it is manageable, not fun but manageable, anything over that and I will not fish. 2 feet and less is preferred, I feel safe in this. Keep in mind this is trolling and paying attention to which way you troll helps. Going with the waves is easy, its going against them that sucks.
 

RGrew176

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

I have been boating on Lake Erie since 1965. I live on the western end of the lake and I can speak from experience that the water can go from glass smooth to 6 to 8 footers in a matter of minutes.

Your question what is the smallest boat I would take out onto the open lake? Based on my personal experiences I recommend a minimum size of at least 24'.

I've been out there in smaller boats and when the lake kicks up it is not a nice place to be. When I had my 24 footer I would go out in 6 footers and while the ride was a little lumpy I did feel very safe. The boat handled the conditions very well. Obviously some skill is also a plus. Learning how a particular boat handles rough water goes a long way.

You can definitely go out on the lake in a smaller boat but it is a matter of personal preference. If you go 24' or larger you will be OK. Bigger is definitely better. Keep an eye on the weather, and being that the lake is generally about 55 miles wide you are never more than 23 miles from shore. If you get a larger boat try to find one with radar, it is a very good way to see what is out there weatherwise. I have my radar set up to pick up rain and with a 42 mile range I can see it coming far enough away to take action and head for safety.

I love boating on Lake Erie and there are many destinations one can head to. Good luck with your purchase.
 

Scaaty

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

Grew up west burbs Chitown ..(DAMN..BEST Pizza and beefs/Italian sausage!) ..anyway..the lake is fine..but the QUICK, and I mean quick..storms out of the West..will bite ya ...ruin yer day within 20 minutes...
ANY HUMID day..stay the hell off the lake..storms there will bite ya and bad... (14 yrs here PNW...still love the lakefront and Chain-Of-Lakes ares...started out there 50's at Fox Lake!!.
 

buckstop108

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

I think the best thing said was use some common sense. Keep an eye on the weather, know your boat and your limitations. I have an 18.9 Lund Pro V and I would fish any lake. I have the VHF radio tuned into the local weather, and I also now have the ESPN Fishing Forcast on the cell phone. If you can't afford a Radar for your boat like myself, this is a great $5.99 a month investment. It saved my bacon this year on Champlain.
 

erikgreen

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

Important advice for Great Lakes boating (specifically for Superior, other lakes may vary):

1) Keep an eye on the weather, or better yet your radio. Best rule is "never trust the lake".. especially late season you can get a complete change of wind direction, a temperature drop, snow and a gale blowing up in the space of 15 minutes.

2) Install and use a VHF. If you have problems on the lake, it's big enough that no one may find you or come close enough to wave down before dark. Cell phones won't always work. Use a big antenna too, not one of the 1 foot high ones. VHF is line of sight.

2.5) Bring all the required life jackets and safety gear, including ring buoys, fire extinguishers, flares, whistles, etc. In many cases it will take the coast guard more than an hour to get to you if you have an emergency, depending on how far out you are. Expect to have to deal with any problems encountered yourself without help.

3) Bring a second engine if you can. A kicker, big trolling motor with a big battery, or a dual engine boat are good. If your first engine breaks down and the waves are running, you can be pushed to shore in a few minutes or less. You won't gracefully run aground, most of Superior's bottom is sharp rocks. For the most part, getting pushed ashore will get you wet or dead, or both.

4) Be aware you won't live long if you leave your boat and swim for shore. Superior comes pretty close to a year-round temp of 40 degrees.. colder in some spots that are deep, usually warmer on the surface, but always cold. If you don't have a coast guard type gumby suit, you're going to get very cold very quick. Stay in the boat if you can.

5) Bring a good gps unit with a lake map. Unless you're staying very close to shore and not travelling far, you can get lost easily. These lakes are inland seas, and you can end up very far from home.

6) Be aware that normal waves are 1 - 3 footers in any wind, and a strong wind can easily produce 6-8 foot waves. If you're not comfortable driving your boat in a chop, then watch the weather even more carefully. The largest wave ever recorded in superior was 32 feet tall.

7) Likewise, if your boat is flat bottomed, a pontoon, or has a low stern you might want to consider taking it out only on very calm days. Make sure your bilge pump works and can move water overboard fast enough to keep you from sinking if waves are coming over the transom.

8) Superior at least can sink almost any boat. There are several thousand wrecks in the lake, from 10 footers to 700 foot boats. Edmund Fitzgerald sunk in 550 feet of water... and was over 700 feet long. No boat is invincible, everyone needs to watch the weather.

9) Edit: Bring an anchor, sized for your boat, made to hold in rocky bottoms. Bring at least 100 feet of line for it, preferably 200. The little mushroom type anchors are pretty worthless on the lakes, a danforth type is better. If you're going to anchor for any length of time, a chain rode is good.

That said, it's my favorite place to boat. Clear, clean water, shipwrecks for diving, fishing, wilderness around, and miles and miles of solitude and open water without crowds of rednecks around. Fantastic.

Erik
 

Zero Balance

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

Lake Erie can be a little more hostile than the other great lakes due to it's depths. Not only is wave size a factor but the frequecy between waves also comes into play. The chop that can be experienced on lake Erie can get quite dangerous in practically no time at all. Many smaller boats have been on the calm side of the islands and tried to head home finding the lake has become too rough for a boater to safely make it back. Many have been lucky, some have not. Some sit it out and wait. Erie is on average about 20ft. deep. If you figure 4 to 6's on say Mi or Superior Many boats would fare better. On Erie this could be catostrophic.
 

erikgreen

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Re: Boating on the great lakes

The same effect happens on MN's lake Mille Lacs. You can practically walk out to the middle of the lake for depth, but the wavelength that gets generated by the shallow water will beat you to death.

I worked safety boats there for a sailboard/kiteboard race recently... it was fun, although somewhat painful at times.

Erik
 
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