Remebrance Day

puddle jumper

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In Canada we have Remembrance Day on the 11th. Just like your Veterans Day you remember the end of the 2nd world war. In Canada we use the Poppy as a national simbol of that day "it comes from the poem Flanders Feilds". My question is what is the USAs simbol for your Veterans Day. In Canada you can show a poppy to any one and thay would tell you what it means.
 

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The VFW (Veterns of Foriegn Wars) hands out 'Buddy Poppies' around here. A red silk poppy to wear. I have one by my computer right now. Unfortunatly I doubt most people have a clue to the meaning.:(
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In Flanders Fields[SIZE=+1]By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)[SIZE=+1]Canadian Army[/SIZE][/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow

[SIZE=+1]Between the crosses row on row,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]That mark our place; and in the sky[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The larks, still bravely singing, fly[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Scarce heard amid the guns below.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]We are the Dead. Short days ago[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Loved and were loved, and now we lie[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In Flanders fields.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Take up our quarrel with the foe:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]To you from failing hands we throw[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The torch; be yours to hold it high.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]If ye break faith with us who die[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]We shall not sleep, though poppies grow[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In Flanders fields.[/SIZE]

[/SIZE]


For everyone, if you are ever in Kansas City, be sure to stop and see the National World War One Museum.



 

wildmaninal

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My research shows that the Poppy is also known to be a symbol for Veteran's day also. The Tomb of the unknown soldiers came to mind for me.
 

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I sorry but Veterans Day has become an excuse for stores to have sales and the government to get the day off and most of them are not Veterans.They have parades for us but try to get the day off to go to it, we should get the day off with pay by law. How soon we forget. I remember the 'Nam Veterans comming back and being called baby killers and being spit on. I'm proud to be a Veteran {its about all I have to be proud of} but the goverenment will screw us every chance they get.Thats why Uncle Bush jumped to say the war was over even though our boys are still being killed over there. He did it to save the government money and screw the new Veterans. I'm sorry but if our boys are getting killed in a another country we are at war, I don't care what Bush says. War time bennies are different from peace time bennies. I enlisted in 1975 under the same GI Bill the 'Nam Veterans had but shortly after I got out congress decided it was costing to much money so I went from being a 'Nam era Veteran to just a Veteran and the only reason I enlisted was for the GI Bill, 'Nam was pretty much over by then, but that was not why I waited. I didn't get out of high school till '75. Guess Uncle Sam can toss out contracts and re-write them when they want to. This is why I love my country but hate my goverenment. The government is why we lost Korea and 'Nam and will lose in the middle east. They tell the army what they can do and not do instead of letting them do it right. Its called micro managment. Oh my gosh we don't want to kill women and children {even though they want to kill us} and god forbid we blow up one of their churchs. I think we should carpet bomb the whole country and let Alla sort it out. Help them get all those virgins they think are waiting for them on the other side. How hard is this to figure out? They will do every thing they can to kill all of us but the government won't let our boys kill them. My rules of engagement are kill you before you can kill me, not wait for permission to shoot back. They {the government} can kick your door down and go through your whole life when ever they want to but we can't search their churchs for IED's and guns. And we have to respect what they call a bible when they have no respect for ours, don't think so. I'd pee on it right in front of them. I'm sorry I'm a little bitter about this but it has become something it wasn't ment to be.....Terry Boyd a.k.a. ANIMAL USN 1975-1979 :mad:
 

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Spittin in the wind Animal...(Pleiku, 69, just after Ben Het got the stuff kicked out 'em)..Welcome home..screw the rest..we will survive just fine...we grew up REAL fast there..
 

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animal, i'm a viet vet, my views are basically the same. but keep them to myself as not being politcally correct today.
 

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animal, i'm a viet vet, my views are basically the same. but keep them to myself as not being politcally correct today.

Being a Vet trumps being politically correct or incorrect ......
Being a Vet gives us that right! ;)

US Army 73-93

I have always consider the poppy as a symbol for Vet's.
 

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November 11 is the anniversary of the ending of WWI.

When I was a boy it was called Armistice Day and silk poppies were sold to raise money for the VFW Auxilary. In my town there was a contest each year for the best poster commemorating the war. One year my sister won.

I don't remember exactly when it was redesignated Veterans Day and moved to the second Monday of November, but I always felt that the true meaning of the remembrance was diluted in favor of another three day weekend for commercial purposes. I didn't like that then and I still don't like it. My step Dad died in 1940 from gassing he got in France in 1918.

All of the WWI Veterans are now gone and the WWII Vets and Korea Vets are fast leaving us. May Nam Vets someday get the thanks they truly deserve.

Let us please remember what it is really about.
 

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I sorry but Veterans Day has become an excuse for stores to have sales and the government to get the day off and most of them are not Veterans.They have parades for us but try to get the day off to go to it, we should get the day off with pay by law. How soon we forget. I remember the 'Nam Veterans comming back and being called baby killers and being spit on. I'm proud to be a Veteran {its about all I have to be proud of} but the goverenment will screw us every chance they get.Thats why Uncle Bush jumped to say the war was over even though our boys are still being killed over there. He did it to save the government money and screw the new Veterans. I'm sorry but if our boys are getting killed in a another country we are at war, I don't care what Bush says. War time bennies are different from peace time bennies. I enlisted in 1975 under the same GI Bill the 'Nam Veterans had but shortly after I got out congress decided it was costing to much money so I went from being a 'Nam era Veteran to just a Veteran and the only reason I enlisted was for the GI Bill, 'Nam was pretty much over by then, but that was not why I waited. I didn't get out of high school till '75. Guess Uncle Sam can toss out contracts and re-write them when they want to. This is why I love my country but hate my goverenment. The government is why we lost Korea and 'Nam and will lose in the middle east. They tell the army what they can do and not do instead of letting them do it right. Its called micro managment. Oh my gosh we don't want to kill women and children {even though they want to kill us} and god forbid we blow up one of their churchs. I think we should carpet bomb the whole country and let Alla sort it out. Help them get all those virgins they think are waiting for them on the other side. How hard is this to figure out? They will do every thing they can to kill all of us but the government won't let our boys kill them. My rules of engagement are kill you before you can kill me, not wait for permission to shoot back. They {the government} can kick your door down and go through your whole life when ever they want to but we can't search their churchs for IED's and guns. And we have to respect what they call a bible when they have no respect for ours, don't think so. I'd pee on it right in front of them. I'm sorry I'm a little bitter about this but it has become something it wasn't ment to be.....Terry Boyd a.k.a. ANIMAL USN 1975-1979 :mad:


Hey Terry sorry you seem so bitter,if your having problems with Benes, check out this branch in your area.

Spinner not a commercial link.Also if you haven't done so yet check the local VFW post,sometimes they can give advice on benes,at least ours does.



http://finduslaw.com/vietnam_era_ve...f_1974_vevraa_38_us_code_chapter_42_4211_4215
 

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Sorry guys, it was late and I wasn't in a good mood and as you can tell its a touchy subject with me and I shouldn't have gone off the deep end. Again sorry, I know this forum is not a soap box. Been watching to much tv lately, need to be in the shop more. I was part of of the all volunteer force that replaced the guys comming out of 'Nam. But I spent 2 years on the flight deck of the USS MIDWAY {met her backing up to the pier from her very first peace time cruse}, re-fueling the birds {Purple Shirts Get There First} and then went to a helicopter squadron {HC-11, now the biggest squadron in the Navy and I just missed being a Plank Owner}. And yes I'm a SHELL BACK and still carry the card and show it off. Thanks for the link, haven't checked it out yet but will do it today. I do have a guy working on it in Okla but haven't heard anything yet. I know I'm not the only one Uncle Sam did this to. By the way, anybody thinking of going in don't let them talk you into "On The Job Training". You'll get it but not the job you wanted. It translates {in miltary jargon} into we will put you where we think we need you and YOU WILL LIKE IT. I went in to work on yellow gear {tow tractors and such for planes} and wound up on the flight deck. Even tried to get switched and they said no way. So I got my first taste of Uncle Sam right out of boot camp and it was very bitter. I remember them {Vertans} selling silk poppys on Veterans Day when I was a kid. They came to the schools and my folks always made sure we had money to buy one. I just belive it has gone the way of everything else "Too Commercialized". This post is not ment to be politcal, just my experience. Thanks for not jumping down my throat mods, I know I'm not susposed to vent here. Its not what its for. I have my own cat of nine tails {I am a PIRATE ya know}. Would 10 lashes be enough?.....ANIMAL :eek: P.S. If the mods will let it go thorugh check out USAirCombat.com. It's a Veteran selling license plate frames with any thing you want on them. Mine says "USS MIDWAY 1976 - 1977" on top and "PURPLE SHIRTS GET THERE FIRST" on the bottom. I'm sure they would put My Other Car Is A Boat on it if you wanted it.
 
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Veterans Day Profile: Point Man, Roger Helle

“I’m Sgt. Helle’s brother. How is he?” asked Roger’s twin brother, Ron, also an E-5, USMC. “I’m sorry son, but your brother is going to die,” the physician responded tersely. That was July 1970, China Beach, Vietnam.
Roger Helle was 17 years old when he joined the Marine Corps.
The product of a broken home, he was very insecure and hoped becoming a Marine would provide him the confidence he lacked.

In February 1966, five months into his first 13-month tour in Vietnam, Roger’s unit was searching for Viet Cong around Gia Le. Roger had walked point for patrols during the previous four months and had been shot once, so his intuition about the enemy’s presence was acutely tuned.

On a night mission to a small fishing village reportedly occupied by VC, Roger and 12 other Marines were moving down a trail lined with dense bamboo. His squad leader had taken Roger’s position as point man, and Roger’s instinct told him the squad was moving too fast along the trail. So urgent was his sense that something was wrong that he wanted to call out, but did not want to betray their position.

In an instant, gunfire erupted and a series of “daisy-chain” explosions propelled Roger and two other Marines over the vegetation into an adjacent rice paddy. As he slowly recovered from the shock of the concussion generated by the explosions, he could see green tracers from VC weapons cutting up and down the trail.

The ambush was over as quickly as it began, and more than 60 VC emerged like ghosts from the bamboo, killed the wounded Marines on the trail, collected their weapons and disappeared.

As Roger regained his senses, he pulled the other two Marines in the water to the edge of the rice paddy. He then pawed around in the muddy water for his M-14, and crawled back onto the trail to check for survivors among the ten remaining Marines—among his friends. The squad leader had taken 29 rounds. There were no survivors.
Roger recovered a radio under one of the dead, crawled back to the water’s edge with the wounded Marines, and called base camp with their coordinates. Within a half hour, Chinooks arrived with quick reaction squads to recover the injured and dead.
The two Marines Roger pulled from the water were evacuated to Da Nang, but died en route.

Roger was the sole survivor of that horrific ambush. There was no consolation for the “survivor’s guilt” he experienced—not the anger, not the nightmares—not for years.

In July 1970, two tours, two Purple Hearts and numerous other decorations later, Roger Helle, now a sergeant and platoon leader for a “killer team,” was walking point on a mission back to a village to destroy earthen tunnels used by the VC for escape and evasion.

Normally, a platoon leader would not take the point position in front of his men; if he was wounded or killed, it could threaten the continuity and survivability of the whole platoon. However, suffering four years of guilt after relinquishing his position on point and losing his entire squad, Roger was not about to ask one of his guys to walk point for what he considered a “mop-up” mission.

Their packs overloaded with C-4 explosives to destroy the VC tunnels, Roger’s platoon took frequent breaks. After one stop, he crossed a field about 50 yards ahead of his platoon to check for booby traps. While scanning the area, he sensed a glint of something in his peripheral vision, coming through the air. A grenade bounced off his leg—and a second later, exploded under his feet, violently impelling him backward and then to the ground.

Roger recounts that the detonation “felt like thousands of volts of electricity surging through my body.” After hitting the ground, he says, “My body would not respond to what my mind wanted it to do.”

Amazingly, he managed to stagger to his feet and wipe enough blood from his eyes to see an enemy soldier, about ten yards in front of him, point his weapon and fire. As the rifle recoiled, two rounds hit Roger, spinning him around and knocking him face down to the ground. As he rolled back toward the light of the sky, he could make out the silhouette of that NVA soldier standing above him. Their eyes met as the enemy thrust his bayonet into Roger’s abdomen.
Just a few seconds, and an eternity, had elapsed.
Roger’s platoon had instinctively hit the ground after the grenade detonated, but six of his men rose up in time to see the NVA soldier over their platoon leader. They fired on the enemy as he withdrew his bayonet, and he dropped a few feet from Roger.

Roger was riddled with shrapnel from the grenade, hit with two rifle rounds and bayoneted. Worse yet, the shrapnel had detonated one of the phosphorus grenades in his demolition bag. His clothing and body were on fire. He managed to get out of his burning flack jacket, but the pain racked his body.
At that moment, Roger says, “I was tired of the killing, tired of losing friends, tired of trying to make sense of the war and my life. I just wanted to die and have all this suffering be over.”

Roger was evacuated to the 95th EVAC Hospital, China Beach, where he underwent numerous surgeries. After six days at death’s door, he regained consciousness long enough to recognize a familiar voice on the ward—that of his brother Ron, asking a physician if Roger was there.

After telling Ron that his brother was going to die, a nurse led him to Roger’s bedside. Ron stood over Roger for a minute, trying to recognize what was left of his brother, and then started to sob, falling to the end of Roger’s bed in grief. “Your brother is going to die.” The finality of those words were sinking in, as Ron wept, compelling Roger to pray, “God, if there really is a God... if you let me live, I’ll do anything you want.” With that, he fell unconscious again.

In the days that followed, Ron (who also had three Purple Hearts and later received the Navy Cross for jumping on a grenade to protect other Marines) never left the side of his brother. Roger saw many injured men brought into that ward and could only watch as life drained from their bodies. Miraculously, Roger’s condition improved. The road to recovery was long and hard, but 31 operations later, including four to reconstruct his face, recover he did.

Along the way, Roger met his Savior and fulfilled his promise to God—and he has served in full-time ministry since 1978. He also met and married his wife and ministry partner, Shirley, and they now have two children and three grandchildren. Today, Roger is working with youth, helping them escape a life of gangs, drugs, and crime, and has made over 16 trips back to Nam to help build orphanages and hospitals for those the Viet Cong forgot about.


In 1918, the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month marked the cessation of World War I hostilities. This date is now designated in honor of our veterans, and a focal point for national observance is the placing of a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington National Cemetery.


Today, nearly 24 million (eight percent) of our countrymen are veterans. Of those, 33 percent served in Vietnam, 18 percent in the Gulf War, 14 percent in WWII and 13 percent in Korea. About three percent served in Iraq and Afghanistan and other counter-terrorism theaters. More than 25 percent of those veterans suffer some disability.

Please pause at 1100 EST this Sunday to pray for all our veterans.
 

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Good post, aspeck. You tell it like it was/is.
 

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I borrowed it from the PatriotPost.us , having edited it a little to keep it under the character limit. However, I have met Roger before, and he is a remarkable man. A good friend of mine, Paul Tribus of Point Man Ministries, has done a lot of work with Roger in the past. Both, as well as MOST vets I have had the priviledge of meeting and spending time with, are great men (ad women).
 

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My hat is off to the 'Nam vets because of what they were put through and how they were treated when they came home. I was just a kid in high school and watching it on tv and thought why are they doing that, it's not their fault. That was a good post, I'm so thankful that I don't have to live with those memorys. I did see a few things happen on the deck and was even part of some {ever been in the middle of a plane crash, its not pretty} so I have seen where you guys came from, Its just hard for the civies to relaize what its like in the military. Anytime in the military {peace or war} is highly dangerous. Do you want to make a young'en sweat? Start telling him what the draft was like,,,LOL....ANIMAL :D
 

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I being to young, wasn't even a gleam in father's eye during any of the war's mentioned. I have heard stories from my father's side of the family being most of them were in Vietnam, I have heard stories that would make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. One of my oldest uncles was a Sargent, I'm not going to share the story but he never talks about it himself, and nobody even will mention a word of it around him. I guess it's because of that incident that he is type of person he is. I have another uncle that still carries shrapnel in his face from his bad experience in the war. I guess you really can't count how many people came out of that war with memories that will disturb or haunt them for the wrest of their life. I know the a movie really can't describe the activities that happened during the war. God bless you all.
 

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I too am a vet...........I worked for a company that gave the vets the day off with pay...........the only company I have ever heard of doing that.
Veterans...all give some...some give all.
 

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Becosh thanks for the poem. In our schools all the kids learn that poem and its part of the curriculum for all grades.
I met a man who was in a concentration camp in Vietnam"a war vet". He told me many stories about his stay.The one thing that stood out the most about him was he had lost his leg in the war. I asked him why he never used the handicap parking. His answer was your only disabled if you think you are. See i was a young man at the time and hearing that i new i could do anything i wanted and never let the word i cant enter my mind.
 

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Ok, fellow Canucks...don't forget to stand tall tomorrow and remember those that gave it all many long forgotten years ago for us.
Sometimes silence is a good thing, I'll definitely be observing my moment(s).
BP
 

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Dad: For your distinguished service in WW II, I'm at attention and I salute you.
 
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