5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

[Burkeke]

I have a small leak in the seal under the armature . I have the flywheel off and was wondering what screws release the armature plate from the mount. Also any sugestions on replacing the seal without spliting motor.

Thanks Kevin

 

[jbjennings]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

Just listen very carefully to F-R, I assumed the 5.5 was similar to an 18 (WRONG)....Sounds like you really don't have a problem, just needs cleaning.
Hope this helps and merry christmas,
JBJ

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

What JBJ says about removing the plate is prety much bang on. It's dirt easy. There's just a bunch of screws (phillips I believe) to remove it and the coils will come off also. Just remember how it comes off. I have never replaced the upper seal so I will leave it to others to respond to that part.

 

[rolmops]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

As far as know,that seal sits around the camshaft and there is a special tool that can be inserted between the camshaft and the metal housing of the seal.This tool has small barbs that catch this seal and it will come back out together with the tool.Once that is done you can simply take a fresh seal and tap it down around the camshaft even with a big socket.I don't think that you have to take the armature plate off.
The whole process should not take over 5 minutes

 

[jbjennings]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

By the way, I forgot to say that once you take the coils off, make sure when you replace the screws be sure that the coils are properly positioned so they are far enough away from the magnet that is on the inside of the flywheel so that the magnet doesn't rub on your coils. What I mean is, there is a little room for the coil to be adjusted after you put the screws in but before you tighten them all the way. I've had good luck putting the coils as far from the flywheel as possible but too far and you won't get good spark.
Good luck,
JBJ

 

[F_R]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

Whoa!!!
In the first place there is no seal on a 5.5hp!!! It has a slinger on the shaft that throws the oil off and from there it is sucked back down into the intake manifold via special drillings in the crankcase. An unbelievably simple system that works very well.

If your magneto is all glopped up with black goo, that is from somebody being overly generous with greasing the armature plate mountings. It liquifies and vibration slops it all over the points and stuff. If it WERE crankcase oil, it would be clean oil, just like the fuel in the tank, which is what it would actually be.

Now, to remove the armature plate: You do not need to remove the coils or anything else. However, it is wise to remove the points just to clean the glop off them and the plate. Use some spray can electrical cleaner. To get the armature plate off, just loosen the four phillips head screws, two in the coils and two between them. They are "captive" meaning are retained after you loosen them several turns and you don't have to take them completely out. Also remove the clip holding the throttle arm, then the armature plate will lift right off. About 3 or 4 screws will then remove the mounting rings. Note that the aluminum ring goes with flat side UP. Lubricate them lightly with just a thin smear of EP grease.

When reinstalling the flywheel, make sure the tapers are clean and dry and use a torque wrench to tighten the nut to 40-45 ft/lbs. Don't think you can ignore this. The consequences are $$$.

Merry Christmas, y'all.

 

[Burkeke]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

Thank's to all who responded. I think I will go ahead with removing the armature plate etc to access the seal and then get a price from a dealer here at the lake. There is one who carries lots of old omc parts and he should have the tool to remove the seal. Hope he can do it resonable. I really like this forum for getting some good info.

Happy holidays

Kevin

 

[F_R]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

So, burkeke, I assume you don't believe me huh? I'm telling you there is no seal in a 5.5hp. I do know what I'm talking about. #24 is the slinger. There is no seal.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

I think I would listen to FR. BTW, 2 stroke engines don't have cam shafts.

 

[wbeaton]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

There is definately no upper crankcase seal so there is no need to remove the armature plate. Just wipe off the excess oil.

 

[Burkeke]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

Well FR , I am not sure at this point. I have a Chilton manual for this motor that shows a oil seal on the top. I guess the best course at this time is to remove armature plate and take a look at whats going on. After listening to the process for seal replacement I was planning on taking to a dealer to see what they would charge to change it.

The motor still runs and sounds great . I hope its not pressure building up due to blow by on the rings. Will let you know what I find under the plate.

 

[dukboat]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

I think your problem is the chilton manual. Get you self a OEM manual and you will see there is not a seal just a slinger. These old outboards spit junk all over, just keep them clean.

 

[HighTrim]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

I think your problem is the chilton manual. Get you self a OEM manual and you will see there is not a seal just a slinger. These old outboards spit junk all over, just keep them clean.

I agree. No offense to anyone, but IMO opinion, non OEM "multi year" manuals are good for cleaning up spills only. Take the advice of the guys on here that work on them daily.

 

[wbeaton]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

Burkeke,

There is no seal. We know because we've worked on those motors before. Also, FR posted the parts diagram for your motor and it shows no seal. So who are you going to believe...a multi-year, multi-hp aftermarket manual or a professional marine mechanic like FR?

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

I absolutely agree about the non-OEM manuals. They serve little purpose other than to fatten the wallets of the publishers. The explanations of various procedures usually read like the author has never actually worked on the motors and IMHO are completely useless.

Do yourself a favor and listen to these guys ... that and go find an OEM manual!

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

OK, I hate to differ but I have no OEM manuals and see little need for them. I have two Seloc's and rarely refer to em. But bear in mind I only work on the 50's and early 60's engines (but I have over 30 of em). If you take em apart and can't put em back together then you probably shouldn't be taking them apart in the first place as they are dirt simple engines. All you might need is a parts diagram to see what part goes back where if you really bugger it up. Also as I work on so many different models it would cost me a fortune to have one for each engine (although it's be cool to have em!)

This would totally change though if I had a later model engine with a complicated fuel or ignition system (as in anything other than points!) or bigger than a 2 cylinder single carb engine which I dont plan on getting at this point as they are simple and easy to work on.

And we all well know, if you compare the cost of an old engine to a new one... yikes... that would buy many years of gas to even come close to the cost....

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth... Others opinions can and will vary I'm sure

Steve

 

[HighTrim]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

Steve,

Take away all your outboard experience, then put a newer V6 in front of you. Imagine you are re sealing the lower unit or re building the heads. Ill bet you would want an OEM manual now wouldnt you

By the way, I may be re storing an old VW van, so I may PM you to pick your brain a little.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

What year van? The '71's were the best to work on and easiest to get parts for (I still have lots of them!). Get the John Muir Volkswagon book. Not OEM but you'll love the hand drawn pictures and comic relief in it!

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

LOL! My first "automobile" was an early sixties bus! I bought it for a hundred bucks with a blown engine, bought a ratted out Beetle with a decent engine for 50 bucks and swapped the motors. I then sold the Beetle to someone else for the 50 that I paid for it!

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 5.5 hp evenrude fisherman l963

Heck, I was only born in the early 60's... All my busses (and I had at least 10-15 or so) were '71-'74, so I know that era well...

Shagin' Wagon's as my friends used to call em as most of mine were campers... Drove em to Mexico, Florida, Louisana... which is all a long way from up here in Canada...

But switched over to outboards once my first kid was born 3 and a half years ago as they're not the safest vehicle in the world!