pre aplpha drive newer lower?

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Drive #2462278 yeah a dinasaur. The info I've looked up on the drive says it's a 160 drive 1967-69. Now when ordering parts like waterpump it asks about a preload pin which it's suppose to have and probably does " havent split it yet at 20* out brrr" But the lower unit on it I think is newer because it has the plastic uhhhh? inserts at the water intakes. Does anyone know what year they came out with those? My spare drive is the same era#2566358 and it doesnt have those water intake inserts, the intake is a solid part of the housing. thanks for any info.
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

if you know the serial... just go to the parts store and say "I need a water pump kit for drive #2462278"
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

that is the upper housing # and the lower i believe is newer"it might matter
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

Might not have the preload pin And i'd like to identify the lower unit age. The plastic intake inserts must have been added in a specific Yr. thanks
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

Starsnstripers, you are aware that if you hit the
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button in the bottom right of each post, that you can add a thought you forgot without making another post.
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

don't know if it helps ya. but both my 72 (from memory around a 33 startin serial) and my 75 with a 417 start to the serial have the plastic inserts. both have a preload pin on the drive shaft.... i believe i use a alpha1 water pump kit from my merc dealer.....
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

I know now, but i didn't and how do they do those highligted things when refering to another part of the thread? Thanks i'm still learning Don, I dont usually push buttons that i dont know what they do. " been there done that" haha!
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

Alpha 1s dont have the preload pin do they? I was told by a parts guy that the water pumps are different with or without the preload pin?
 

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Alpha 1s dont have the preload pin do they? I was told by a parts guy that the water pumps are different with or without the preload pin?
no, and i think the pumps the same.... but i don't know that for a fact. maybe try researchin alpha 1 water pump part # vs a 1 drive part #


for quotes. theres like a little bubble ya'd see in a comic at the top there to the right where all the controls are at. it's the quote button. it is basicly this [ and this,] with the word quote inside it. at the end of the quote it's [/the word quote]
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

Thanks Zig i'll have to try figuring that out. "the quote thingy" I'm going to take it apart anyway before i buy one so I can make sure thanks alot. I was just trying to find out how new the lower unit was, hoping the intake insert was a tell-tale sign.
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

Might not have the preload pin And i'd like to identify the lower unit age. The plastic intake inserts must have been added in a specific Yr. thanks

My S/N is 6346866 it does not have the plastic inserts. but it does have the pre-load pin on the drive shaft.

Jason
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

ok sns, time for a bit of Merc drive history :D

from 1967 to 1982 the drive was known as MC-1.
In 1983 Mercruiser made some small changes and it's known as an 'R' (Revision) drive. These 2 drives are very similar. Both have a 'pre-load' pin at the top of the drive shaft. This is to load the bearing in the lower box. The one under the water pump. It's a tapered roller and is installed so that the shaft needs to be pushed down to make it run right, because as the pinion and forward and reverse gears come under load they try to force the driveshaft up and the bearing out of contact with its race. Both top and bottom boxes are completely interchangeable. They run the same water pump too. When you pull your boxes apart, make sure the pin is working. I usually just tap them with a hammer. You should feel the spring bounce the hammer back.

In 1985 (?) Mercruiser made a lot of changes to the drive, mostly the lower box. That's called an 'MR' (Major Revision) drive. Changes include turning the driveshaft roller bearing over and removing the pre-load pin. The top box got a facelift with a flat top, as opposed to the earlier ones with the lifting lug on the top, and the back edges of the housings (top and bottom boxes, where they join) were squared off.

In about 1987 Mercruiser introduced the Alpha One. Very similar to the MR. Again MR and Alpha one bits are very interchangeable.

The top and bottom boxes of the 4 different units are interchangeable, but most of the internals are not.

The plastic water pickup inserts you speak of started in the lower unit on drive # 3899470. I suspect that's about 1974.

With all 4 iterations the water pump impeller, housing and gaskets are all the same. What's different is the pump base.

1991 saw the introduction of the Alpha One Generation II. Nothing on this drive is changeable with anything on any of the 4 previous drives.

I hope all this helps you. If not, well, I'm not going to remove it :D

Chris...........
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

My S/N is 6346866 it does not have the plastic inserts. but it does have the pre-load pin on the drive shaft.

Jason

Jason,

It looks like you have about a 1983 top box and a much earlier lower box. The serial number is on the top box and if someone changes the lower box there is no way of knowing. The plastic inserts are on all lower units after 3899470. That's about 1974. Your top box is an 'R' and the lower box is an early MC-1.

Chris......
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

Wow Chris thats some good info there.Only one thing i think you confused chiefs #s with mine. My upper # starts with a 2 Chiefs is a 6 From what you said my upper is an early MC 1 and my lower 70+. So all i need to be concerned with is the water pump base may be a difference between the oldrer upper and newer lower.
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

Jason,

It looks like you have about a 1983 top box and a much earlier lower box. The serial number is on the top box and if someone changes the lower box there is no way of knowing. The plastic inserts are on all lower units after 3899470. That's about 1974. Your top box is an 'R' and the lower box is an early MC-1.

Chris......

Thank you. As SNS said great info.

Jason
 

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Re: pre aplpha drive newer lower?

OH I see now that was Jasons drive you were refering to, sorry Chris. So my lower might be atleast a 74. waaahoooo. Things are looking up. haha. Thanks again for that good info Mr. Chris:D
 
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