tilt hyd. rams/pistons

starsnstripers

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does anyone know when merc changed to the bigger dia rams? I was wondering the yr. too. Would some 1980s fit on a prealpha setup? thanks:)
 

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Re: tilt hyd. rams/pistons

I don't know the specific answer to your question, but I know we are both working on the same system. I too have (I should say "had") the old system with the smaller rams, high pressure pump, separate reverse lock out and hydraulic trim sender, and had trouble getting mine to work properly. Here's my suggestion: save yourself a lot of grief and don't bother trying to fix what you have. Many of the items are NLA from Mercruiser and used items are expensive - when you can find them.

I ended up buying a brand new Mercruiser trim pump for only $199. This is the new style pump. I was told it would work with the smaller rams. It didn't. But that's okay, as you can find the large rams a "dime a dozen" on the various auction sites, etc. I picked up a couple of great used ones with hoses for under $100. My opinion - This will be your best bet in the long run.
 

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Re: tilt hyd. rams/pistons

what's yer goal sns? looks like ya can still get a few parts for what ya got. if ya still got em..... repair kit, oring kit and the likes....
 

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Re: tilt hyd. rams/pistons

I was told it would work with the smaller rams. It didn't.

Ayuh,..... I have to wonder Why,....

My boat is equiped with the 1" rams,+ the Newer Pump,.....
It works just Fine......

The Only Difference I can find in the 2 different rams is the Size of the pistons,....
1" Vs. 1, 1/4"........
 

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Re: tilt hyd. rams/pistons

I don't know why it wouldn't work - just that it didn't with mine. The old pump raised the existing smaller rams, but they wouldn't do down. After rebuilding one ram, (it was very stiff), they went up fine and would go down, but would not lock in place when down. Then I was left with trying to find out if the reverse lock out mechanism (which is a separate unit in these old systems) was just out of adjustment or was bad. Finally gave up and went with the new pump. From doing the research I discovered that the old pumps were high pressure, low volume - the newest pumps are low pressure, high volume.

The pump I bought was, I believe, the newest one from Mercruiser. It had fittings for quick disconnect hoses which I couldn't even find listings for. It also has a new "weather tite" style of wiring harness instead of the old spade terminal style plugs. (Similar to what you might see in a new GM car). I was able to put fittings in to match my hoses. But the pump would just run and not lift the old rams.

Now, it COULD be that I didn't bleed them completely... but I don't think so. As mentioned, they worked with the old pump, but not the new. When I stuck on a pair of used larger rams it worked instantly.
 

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Re: tilt hyd. rams/pistons

Well, I found a nice set of rams for 52.00 and they are says from the 1980s They were used in fresh water only and look the same as mine so i bought them. I think from some pics that the newer style have an angled inlet and outlet holes where the lines connect. These have the straight in flush holes so i think i'm ok there. I didn't know if there were any length or mounting differences. I guess the ram diameter doesn't matter as far as fitting but it sounds like it has something to do with a high pressure or low pressure system. Mine are froze up and have some oxidation to them. Yeah i could disassemble and rebuild but at 52.00 I could inspect the stuck ones and maybe rebuild for spares. Thanks for the input guys. I'm going to stay with my origional system with reverse switch and sender. I'm not impressed with alot of the "new and improved" versions that don't last very long. Manufactures make them just good enough to work but they don't want longevity. Then they dont sell parts. eg. I have a 63 dodge 880 and it still has the origional brake lines and little clips that hold them to the frame. GM stopped producing the 283 in 67-68 because it lasted to long. There are still enough parts out there for the finding for my ole girl "1970 SS 215 Slickcraft". To me most engineers that sit behind the desk and design things never got their hands dirty in the field, looks good on paper next to the cost to make it "not last" haha! :D bla bla bla! Anyway See New thread drive coupling;)
 
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