weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

kleigh774

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I have a 1973 johnson 85hp i got from a friend.He said it wsa running fine and just died on the lake.He was told it was the power pack and rectafier.The rectafier was getting extremly hot when the battery was hooked up.I replaced both parts and the new rectafier does not get hot,but still a weak spark and very random on one side.I noticed the coils in the stator where melted down so I replaced that also.Now I have no spark on one side and very weak spark on the other.I don't have much in the way of testing equepment but i know the plug wont throw a spark to the block on eathier side but the side that is firing you can feel when you hold the wire.I know kinda the redneck way to test but it works kinda.I have went and bought the plugs the book calls for but still not helping.Got any ideas?
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

Be glad it isn't working. That motor should knock you right out of your socks if you hold the wire. It should throw a 7/16" spark with ease.

It must be cranking at a minimum of 200 RPM in order to produce a spark. Is it? Have you tried checking for spark with all the plugs out? It should have no trouble getting more than 200 rpm with them out.
 

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Quote"the side that is firing you can feel when you hold the wire.I know kinda the redneck way to test but it works kinda." Quote.


You are joking??? Right???
I just spit coffee all over my keyboard I read that LOL
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

some test "http://www.boatpartstore.com/page30.asp"
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

The next time you decide to hold the wire and test it for a spark, will you please make a video of it and post it for us:)
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

Made it to the office, every one got a kick out of the redneck spark test:)

You can make a spark tester out of nails and a gator clip, I think Mr. reeves has a post on how to do it, this way you can observe all 4 cylinders sparking and determine which one is weak or not working.

The batery needs to be fully charged and turn around 300 rpm to get a good hot spark.

Clean the ground connection where the ground cable connects to the block, notorious for corrosion at this connection.

Let us know what you find.
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

here is Joes Posts
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As DJ states, and in addition to......

Check the spark with a spark tester, having the gap set to 7/16". The gap setting of 7/16" is important. If you don't have a tester, one can be cheaply made as follows:

(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas the!y could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:


..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4

When time permits, visit my store (copy/paste) at: stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store

You could test the coil simply by moving/switching it with another coils location. Check and clean the coil ground, all of the coils. If the problem follows the coil, obviously the coil is faulty.

Check the coils continuity as follows:

(Magneto Capacitance Discharge Coils - Continuity Test))
(J. Reeves)

Check the continuity of the ignition coils. Remove the primary orange wire from whatever it's connected to. It may be connected to a powerpack screw type terminal, a rubber plug connector, or it may simply plug onto a small boss terminal of the coil itself.

Connect the black lead of a ohm meter to the spark plug boot terminal, then with the red ohm meter lead, touch the ground of the coil or the powerhead itself if the coil is still installed.

Then touch (still with the red lead) the orange wire if it's attached to the coil, or if it's not attached, touch the primary stud of the coil. You should get a reading on both touches (contacts). If not, check the spring terminal inside the rubber boots of the spark plug wire. Poor or no continuity of a coil is one reason for s/plug fouling.

If the spark and all related comnponents check out okay, a lean, fouled carburetor can be checked by having the engine idling, then stick two fingers into the carburetor throat, acting as a manual choke. Having the engine smooth out when this is done with any particular carburetor.... you've found an offending carburetor.
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

Well we took out all the plugs and tested again.It was a much more shocking experance One plug wire came apart and that coil wasn't firing very well eather. The other three are throwing a strong spark to the block,so I am going to try charging the battery and replacing the coils seing as the good ones have some cracks in them anyway.I replaced the starter not to long ago and today i cleaned all the connections on the motor.So i am guessing that would only leave the battery.The battery is only a couple months old but the motor also hasn't run since i put it in so i think it may need to be charged.If there is anything else i should do to make sure it is spinning fast enough to crank right please let me know.I am kinda learning as i go.I am an auto tech by trade but it seams most of the automotive tricks don't seam to apply to an outboard...lol Thank every one for the help so far and helping me get an idea of what is going on.
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

Making progress now.

Get your ignition parts replaced as you find them bad.
Get a set of mufs or a barreel you can run the engine in, inductive timing light so you can watch the spark of each cylinder.

Go to the faq section and read about awakening a motor, lots of good info there.

If you are getting spark, try shooting pre mixed fuel into the carb with a spray bottle of some sort to see if it will fire.
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

The battery is only a couple months old but the motor also hasn't run since i put it in so i think it may need to be charged.If there is anything else i should do to make sure it is spinning fast enough to crank right please let me know.

The motor hasn't ran since you put the new battery in? If you don't get it running with the current battery, try a bigger battery. I had a new lawnmower battery that wasn't sufficient enough to start the motor (it was on a '75 85hp, and the battery was 275cca). It looked like it was spinning fast enough, but only a couple of RPM's short of fire.
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

Here is what is probably happening:

First thing was that due to one of a list of possible causes, the rectifier was cooked;

Sometimes when this happens, the potting on the rectifier melts and the wiring crosses and fuses inside allowing the full power of the battery to reach your ignition components;

The first thing that goes is the stator, then the powerpack.
 

kleigh774

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

I put the battery on charge and got some new coils.? The battery was low so maybe that will help. Now I was told today by the local marina that the battery I got from Wal-Mart (which I bought the biggest marine battery they had due to the fact I didn't have the manual yet) was not a good battery. In fact he said they where junk and is probley part of my problem. Is there any truth to that or was he just trying to sell me one of his batterys? The guy at the local marina is one of those not so nice not so helpful types whose only complete sentence he can seam to say is "I don't know what to tell you other than just bring it to me and I will figure it out for a charge" He seams to have a hard time understanding if I had alot of money I would have a new boat and not have any of these problems. Sorry I jumped off on a soap box there but I just wonder what ever happened to customer service? I am finding a few bad grounds along the motor and I am hoping after all this it will crank..lol
 

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

The large dual purpose deep cycle batteries that they sell at Walmart are excellent all purpose batteries. What you don't want to run is a no maintenance automobile type battery with your unregulated rectifier.

Plenty of people at this forum, including me, use the batteries and I have seen no negative feedback about them from users.
 

kleigh774

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Re: weak spark on my 1973 johnson 85hp

Well new coils,fresh battery, fresh fuel, new oil and alot of help from yall and well the motor came to life today.Thank everyone for there help and if anyone ever needs some automotive addvice just let me know.Thanks again
 
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