10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

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I have a 1987 Force 125... It was sitting for a couple years, right before everything has been redone, I flushed the tank pi\ut new mix, cleaned carbs, new gear oil, and put a new impeller, and there is no water coming out of the pee hole or exuast ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHY????????????????? HERE IS A LINK TO A VIDEO OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE..JUST DOUBLE CLICK ON THE PICTURE...


http://s170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/markandmandi/?action=view&current=MOV04996.flv


http://s170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/markandmandi/?action=view&current=MOV04996.flv



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Scaaty

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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

Send me the check. Either dump the bucket and use muffs (the right ones made for that gearcase), or get a heck of a lot deeper bucket. The impeller needs to be submerged...
Or just stick it in the water and try it..
 

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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

I think because your bucket/tub is too small and you don't have the lower unit submerged in the water. I'm not sure on that model, but I suspect the main water pickup may actually be from a screen in the leading edge of the "fin" where the exhaust comes out. At least that's how many older OMC's are. There maybe other water pickups on the side.

The unit should be submerged so the whold water pump is underwater. The level the water would be when the boat is sitting in the lake.

I'll take a cashier's cheque. :)

<dang maybe too slow>
 
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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

ok guys i just cleaned the huge garbage can and its filling up now,,, I will let you know in a minute, cross your fingers,,,
 
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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

I put a big garbage can under it and stil no flow.....???? any other suggestions...??
 

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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

Sure looks like there is water coming out of the exhaust to me.
 

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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

You probably destroyed the impeller by runnning it dry.

You have a PM.
 

Frank Acampora

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Did you follow my instructions in the sticky thread? No? Now do it right! Take off the lower unit and pump; check to see if you either lost the impeller key or if it slipped out of position when you installed the impeller. ---And, I don't need your million, I own a gas station.
 

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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

i have a 150hp and i forgot to put what looks like a sleeve to connect both drive shafts together maybe yours did'nt line up or did'nt put it on.
 
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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

okay iam taking off the lower unit, so i can recheck theimpeller direction, ,but i thougt i would do my own test, i got a hose that was cut , and i put the hose over the pipe that sucks water into the engine, ( you know where that white cap connects between the pipe and impeller housing,,,so I stuck the hose on and turned it on,, water did not come out of the 2 holes behind the engine,, was it supposed to? it looked like some water came out of the exaust... let me know what you think
 

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OK! A little lesson on Force cooling systems and exhaust idle relief.

The two holes in the back of the shroud are idle relief holes. Their PRIMARY purpose is to relieve backpressure when the engine is sitting low in the water--like at idle. Because Force are 2 cycle engines, excessive backpressure will cause exhaust to blow back into the cylinders, stalling the engine. So: This keeps backpressure low, improves the idle and prevents the engine from stalling.

Now: water is delivered from the water pump to the block via the matching plate. It is delivered to the exhaust cooling cavity near the bypass (or hole in newer blocks where the bypass used to be). This is where the dog-leg in the exhaust cover is. The water first circulates through the chambers surrounding the exhaust because it is critical to keep this area cool. It then circulates around the cylinders. This dumps into the exhaust and is blown out the snout with the exhaust gases.

When the thermostat is closed, very little water is passed through a weep hole in the thermostat so the bimetal plug can sense the temperature. When the bimetal plug gets hot enough, it expands, opening the thermostat. Then, full water flow is passed through the head from top to bottom. Actually, the plug is not bimetal, it is a liquid metal --I really don't know what metal or compound --like mercury or gallium that expands radically with heat.

In the bottom of the match plate, there are several water passage circuits to dump this water inside the midleg, around the exhaust tube. One dumps water from the bottom of the head just above the idle relief. All this water cools the exhaust tube and the midleg and also helps to reduce some exhaust noise.

Now comes the interesting part: This water will spray out of the idle relief holes at idle because it is not a lot until the thermostat opens, and it is blown out along with the relief exhaust. However, There usually is a gasket on the lower exhaust tube which semi-seals the midleg. At higher speeds, enough water is pumped into the midleg to possibly fill it and water then FLOWS out the idle relief holes.

SO: When testing on muffs, water will preferentially flow/spray out the exhaust snout and the engine may or may not have water issuing from the idle relief. Since it is usually difficult to supply with a garden hose the amount of water that the pump will deliver, it will usually take a long time for water to issue from the idle relief holes: The block exhaust chest and cylinder water passages must be filled before the idle relief will get water. If you have a good water supply and water is spraying forcefully out around the muffs, you will usually get water issuing from the idle relief.
 
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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

Thank you very much,, You just tripled what i knew before, so 2 more questions, how much water should come out of the exaust, and 2 how do i find out if waters coming out if lower unit is submerged in water...
 

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Remove the thermostat...you will find it in the top above the top spark plug....sit it in the water start it with that therm cap off...water will come or not...if it does come put therm in boiling water if it dont open its shot...

cordell
 

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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

Thank you very much,, You just tripled what i knew before, so 2 more questions, how much water should come out of the exaust, and 2 how do i find out if waters coming out if lower unit is submerged in water...

... in my 86' 125hp enough to bubble the water in the test tank. after making certain your O/B is in neutral, place your hand at the exhaust snout and you should feel a steady flow.
 

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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

You got plenty of explanations ... now put your $$ where your statement is ... we will all share the cash $$$ LOL
 
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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

okay,,, next time i need to get a boat that is in perfect condition next time,,, i took the lower unit off and made sure impeller was in the right direction and it was,, i still cant tell if water is coming out of exaust and it got dark, i went to clean up and now the trip doesnt want to pull the motor up,,,ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,,
 

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I couldn't say for sure but based on the fact that the hole that dumps spent cooling water into the exhaust is square to rectangular, and slightly smaller than the diameter of the brass delivery tube, I would guess that about 2/3 of the total water delivered by the pump exits with the exhaust through the snout at speed when warm.
 
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Re: 10 Million Dollars For The Person That Can Answer This Question !!!!!!

ok guys i changed out the impeller and everything and now my tilt isnt going up, it wil put the engine down but no sound when i push the button up,, any suggestions,..
 
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