Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

mak1965

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Heyya! I have a Like new Mercury 90 2 stroke OB. I purchased the Expensive Mercury Oil when I bought the boat in 7-07.. I then went on to use the Quicksilver 2 stroke Silver Bottle and that worked fine! Now that is up to $22 a gallon!

I see a Blue Bottle at Walmart that says it is TC-W3 and Nmma will this work? That is $9 a gallon! OR I also see a Pennziol Same stuff TC-W3 and NMMA the Pennzoil is $13 a Gallon and states it does NOT void the Warranty and goes on to list the motors and Mercury IS one of them! I read here last season about someone using the Blue Walmart brand,, I thonkk the name is Super tech or something similar// So Whatcha Think? Who HAS the experience of using the cheaper oil successfully! With the price of Fuel,,, Can I ? Should I ! Please help Thanks a Million! Mark
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

i have been using Walmarts Super Tech oils in everything for years, with no problems. it meets the qualifications. lower unit oil also, bearing grease, 10w30 , etc.
 

marionr26

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Re: Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

Wow I need to check this out for sure..I got a 1997 seadoo speedster I got from a guy end of last yr I had it freshen up at seadoo then I needed to get some oil so I did only one they had for 2 cycle was 38.95 Wow They said the newer seadoo not 2 cycle no more so they didnt have hugh selection...So I can go to wal mart get a gallon 2 cycle oil for my boat????
 

marionr26

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Man If I can get for 15.00 gallon way better than 40.00 thats highway robbery
 

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JB

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Re: Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

Like Daddy, I have used Wal Mart's Super Tech in all my 2 stroke outboards for years.

The lower price has nothing to do with lower quality, it is because of lower overhead.
 

mak1965

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Many Thanks! & I also apologize for posting in the repair questions forum, and for asking this I am aware it always is discussed! BUT it does seem a lot of newer boaters like myself! I for one appreciate being able to save some $$ and still afford to go on my boat! Thanks!!
 

JoLin

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My local WalMart doesn't carry much marine stuff and I wasn't impressed with what they did have.

I just ordered Pennzoil synthetic blend from this place. $15.00/gallon including shipping for a case of 4 gallons. Never ordered from them before, so I'll let you know of any issues.

http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/marine.html

If you prefer manufacturer-specific products, take a look at these guys. I was going to order their Evinrude oil until I stumbled on the Pennzoil site, but their prices are still good compared to local retailers.

http://www.domo-online.com/marineproducts
 

tashasdaddy

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JoLin. the oil is in the automotive section. not marine section.
 

LubeDude

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Re: Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

Wow I need to check this out for sure..I got a 1997 seadoo speedster I got from a guy end of last yr I had it freshen up at seadoo then I needed to get some oil so I did only one they had for 2 cycle was 38.95 Wow They said the newer seadoo not 2 cycle no more so they didnt have hugh selection...So I can go to wal mart get a gallon 2 cycle oil for my boat????

Check the oil spec for your SeaDoo, It may not call for a TC-W3 oil. Most Jet ski's use an oil for engines with Power valves. If it requires that spec, you will blow your engine up if you use a TC-W3 oil.
 

JoLin

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Re: Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

Tashasdaddy,

I know. Might be because I shopped early in the season or something, but my local WalMart's prices weren't that great. Might be a regional thing, but I didn't see synthetic or synthetic blend at any great discount. WalMart is also not very handy to my home so I don't get there all that often.
 

fishrdan

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BPS has the Mercury 2 stroke oil on sale every few months for around $15/gallon, normally $22-23.

I never had problems with the Walmart or Pennzoil 2 stroke oil, but now use Mercury oil for peace of mind.
 

dingbat

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My local BPS has a sale on Merc oil two or three times a year where I can get Merc Premium Plus for $14.99 a gallon. I bought 16 gallons at the sale in March which should get me through most of the summer.
 

Joe_the_boatman

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Most Jet ski's use an oil for engines with Power valves. If it requires that spec, you will blow your engine up if you use a TC-W3 oil.


_Most_ jet ski's? I've never heard of anyone (newer machines) spec'ing anything other than TC-W3, which is the newest API standard. My '94 model wants TC-W2, so I'm set using W3.

Could you explain about "power valves" and the engines "blowing up"? I'm not saying you're wrong or anything; maybe I'll learn something new. I just never heard that before (and want to be sure I'm passing on the right info to others who might ask me about oil types).


Oh, to answer the question... I've used Supertech for a while too and never had a problem with it. I've bought Pennzoil also and have been happy with it.
 

LubeDude

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Re: Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

_Most_ jet ski's? I've never heard of anyone (newer machines) spec'ing anything other than TC-W3, which is the newest API standard. My '94 model wants TC-W2, so I'm set using W3.

Could you explain about "power valves" and the engines "blowing up"? I'm not saying you're wrong or anything; maybe I'll learn something new. I just never heard that before (and want to be sure I'm passing on the right info to others who might ask me about oil types).

If your SeaDoo has the Rotax engine, you will want to look at this site!

http://www.sbtontheweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23562
 

Joe_the_boatman

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I agree the Rotax is a different beast altogether (which I know nothing about). That makes sense.
 

kenmyfam

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As long as it TCW-3 and it gives that great 2 stroke smell when you fire it up first thing in the morning it is good for me if the price is right !!!!
 

ziemann

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Re: Cheaper 2 Stroke Oil?

This info relates to APV valved 2 stroke engines only- you most commonly see them today in personal watercraft and snowmobiles. Oil selection is critical to keep them clean and operating properly.

Variable exhaust power valves are moving devices located at the engine's exhaust port. Every brand's variation is there to provide the same essential service and that is to vary the height and width of the exhaust port according to engine RPM. This vastly broadens the power band. At low RPM, the valves are in a closed position which promotes more complete combustion. This improves low-end torque and minimizes unburned gases in the exhaust stream. At high RPM, the valves are wide open which allows for optimum exhaust flow. This enables the engine to rev freely and produce maximum top end horsepower. Older systems were actuated by a mechanical linkage which opened and closed the valves based on engine RPM. Modern systems are actuated by electronic servo motors which precisely position the valves throughout the RPM range. Before the advent of the power valve, engine builders had to determine one size and shape of the exhaust port and exhaust pipe. This predetermined whether the engine would provide its optimum power delivery at either the high, mid or low RPM range. The power valve allows the two-cycle engine to provide usable horsepower throughout its operating RPM range.

The modern power valve system has evolved from a number of different variations over the last 30 years. Yamaha was the first company to find success with this concept when they integrated a variable exhaust power valve system in their 2-stroke Grand Prix road-racing motorcycles in the late 1970's. The technology then made its way to Yamaha's production road and motocross bikes the early 1980's. Other motorcycle manufacturers soon came up with their own systems. By the early 1990's, virtually all high-performance two-cycle motorcycles, ATV's, personal water-crafts and snowmobiles were equipped with variable exhaust power valve systems.

Keeping the power valve system clean is of paramount importance. As power valves are located directly in the stream of the exhaust flow, carbon deposits can accumulate on the valves over time. The deposit build-up can alter the shape of the valves and change the engine's exhaust flow characteristics. In extreme cases, the exhaust port can become completely clogged and expensive damage can occur. Deposits can also can hinder the valve movement or leave them stuck in one spot. Any of these scenarios will drastically impair the power delivery and output of your engine.

A major contributor to power valve depositing is the use of poor quality 2-cycle oil. The cheaper base stocks and additives used in lower grade oils can be cooked into carbon deposits very quickly. High quality synthetic two-cycle oil is notorious for its clean burning characteristics and will dramatically lower the rate of deposit formation. Good quality synthetic oils use sophisticated base stocks and high temperature additives which are engineered to avoid power valve depositing. They also have an effective detergent/dispersant package which will allow for much cleaner operation. When it comes to two-stroke injector oil, you definitely get what you pay for. Spending a little more on an oil that is specifically engineered to provide clean power valve operation will not only improve the engine's performance, it will save the headaches and expense that come with premature power valve depositing.

Power valves truely maximize the capabilities of 2 stroke engines in certain applications (PWC, snowmobiles, etc)- oil quality in those engines is an important part of the performance equation.
 
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