1971 50hp hes with no neutral

billybigbass

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I have a 50hp johnson 50ESL71S that was running fine last season. Now when I serviced the motor this season I've noticed that I have no neutral when I started the motor. I have forward and reverse but no neutral, also it starts running in reverse gear when I start the motor in neutral at the helm. I've checked the voltage for all gears and every thing seems ok but still no neutral. If anyone can help I would be a happy camper as I can't wait to hit the water.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

sound like an electric problem between shifter, and lower unit. it is a hydro-electric shift lower unit.

Hydro Electric Shift)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

That's a wierd set of symptoms. All I can say is check those voltages. Sounds to me like a bad shift switch in the control. Neutral is green wire, reverse is both blue and green wires. Since you have reverse, it would seem logical that the wires are OK because reverse requires both wires. Gotta be the switch.
 

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

I agree with FR and would add that both solenoids are probably OK because both have to be actuated for the motor to engage the reverse gear. Its probably a problem with the shift switch in the control unit.
 

billybigbass

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

Thanks for info, I checked voltage at forward and reverse and neutral all seems to check out. I can see and hear shifting of forwards and reverse. Is there a way to check the shift switch in the cntrol unit? Should mention that I don't have a manual for my motor but I am in the process of getting one. Thanks again for any help.
 

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

quoted from my manual:

1. check continuity of instrument cable leads with a test light or continuity meter. If a malfunction is indicated, repair or replace cable assembly.

2. connect a test light or continuity meter between the (purple lead) terminal and neutral (green lead) terminal. operate push bottons from forward to neutral position. the circuit tester must indicate open in forward and closed in neutral.

3. leave the test light or continuity meter connected between the (purple lead) terminal and (green lead) terminal. operate push buttons from neutral to reverse position. the circuit must indicate closed in both neutral and reverse.

4. connect the test light or continuity meter between the (purple lead) terminal and reverse (blue lead) terminal. operate push buttons from neutral to reverse position. the curcuit must indicate open in neutral switch position and closed in reverse switch position.

Note that for reverse operation of the gearcase, both the (blue and green lead) are energized activating both solenoids in the gearcase.

5. If a malfunction is indicated, replace the push button switch

work switch several times in each test position when testing to make certain it is consistent in its operation.
 

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

Thanks for info, I checked voltage at forward and reverse and neutral all seems to check out. I can see and hear shifting of forwards and reverse. Is there a way to check the shift switch in the cntrol unit? Should mention that I don't have a manual for my motor but I am in the process of getting one. Thanks again for any help.

IF you are checking the voltages at the connectors where the wires go down to the lower unit - and - IF you are checking them with the connectors still connected - and - IF you have 12Volts on green in neutral and 12Volts on both green and blue in reverse, then there is no reason it should not be shifting (that I can think of). Those tests check the continuity of the wires and the shift switch at the same time. As someone said, both circuits and solenoids must be working in order to get reverse.

Well, actually maybe I can think of something. I'll ponder on it a bit and maybe get back to you.
EDIT: I am thinking that if everything checks out, then there could be wear or damage in the oil pump assembly. There is a piston in the pump that pushes the clutch dog back against a spring. If there is leakage around the piston it could cause your problem. Oil could be flowing around the piston and out the open reverse ball valve. But I hasten to add that I've not experienced it...yet.
 
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larky

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

have you changed your lower unit oil lately? just a thought. not sure if that would or could cause this problem.
 

billybigbass

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Re: 1971 50hp hes with no neutral

Yes Larky I have chaged the oil in the lower unit at seasons end and again prior to this seasons start up. The lower unit is shifting from forward to reverse and from reverse to forward gear but, still no neutral. I'm in the process of checking out the shift switch in the control unit itself. I'll keep you all posted as soon as I get the opportunity.
 
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