Would you solder battery cables?

KRS

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I'm going to get some new battery cables for my '96 pickup.

I'm considering soldering the cables (and lugs) into the clamps AFTER the lead clamps (and brass lugs) are pressed onto the cables.

My thought is that the solder will go up into the clamp and fill in the void between the cable strands and that this should help avoid corrosion.

Any thoughts or input?

Thank you!

KRS
 

modernrocketry

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

Vaseline works just fine for preventing corrosion.

There are also sprays you can buy at any auto parts store. They are usually a red color.

I would not solder.
 

mthieme

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

Soldering will help the connection by providing more surface area.
If you have a corrosion problem, this is typically caused by the gases leaking past the area where the posts protrude up through the casing. They make round felt donuts just for this problem. Also, coat the metal afterwards with some sealant (they make this specially for battery connections) or grease.
 

Pascal

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

I'm going to get some new battery cables for my '96 pickup.

I'm considering soldering the cables (and lugs) into the clamps AFTER the lead clamps (and brass lugs) are pressed onto the cables.

My thought is that the solder will go up into the clamp and fill in the void between the cable strands and that this should help avoid corrosion.

Any thoughts or input?

Thank you!

KRS

Soldering of the battery terminal is fine IF the solder is not the primary method of holding the terminal onto the wire. A mechanical crimp is required to secure the terminal in case heat develops that will melt the solder. Same reason that solder is not allowed in house wiring.

Most commercial made lead battery post clamps on pre-built cables are not "soldered" because the lead is poured in hot and encloses the wire ends. The problems begin when people replace the factory ends with the ones that attach with 2 bolts and a strap. The brass ends that crimp like welding cable ends are the permenant type fix that should be used and solder will seal the wire from corosion and improve the conductivity of the terminal.

I prefer to crimp AND solder all my wiring for non starting circuits. Most of the time I will use a factory/aftermarket replacement battery cable.
 

MikDee

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

I've been using vaseline all over the batt. terminals for 50yrs now, it works for me, and I also agree with Pascal on his ideas.
 

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

For the former soldiers here GAA (grease automotive artillary) on the terminals which is regular grease.
 

Hoss the Hermit

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

If, after these comments, you still decide to solder them, DON'T do it while it they're hooked up to the battery
 

Pascal

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

If, after these comments, you still decide to solder them, DON'T do it while it they're hooked up to the battery

Can't see anyone here doin that...... This is the TEkNiKal forum. :)

Seriously though, Hoss is right about this. Remove the cable from the vehicle to work on it if possible. If you can't remove the cable, remove the battery and throw a blanket over any other parts you want to protect!!!

On a battery cable, it is hard to achieve the heat required to melt the solder into the terminal due to the large mass. A large electric soldering iron (not gun) might do it without a concern about "rapid battery expansion" but the best would be the careful use of the propane torch AWAY from the battery.

Heat the terminal away from where the wire exits the crimp. Let the heat flow into the joint until the solder flows into the joint. USE RESIN CORE SOLDER (not acid core for copper pipe) Make sure that the wires are bright and shiny clean from sand papering. Use only as much heat as necessary to start the solder melting. Remove the torch and melt in the solder, adding only as much heat as necessary to complete the filling of the joint before quenching.

Quench the soldered area with a wet rag and be carefull of the steam that is produced. It will burn you! (if you forget it will remind you). If you don't quench the joint, the heat will travel and shrink/damage the insulation on the wire.

I have done this replacement many times with 100% success and durability - Just get a good crimp connection first.

This is the type of terminal that I assume you are using.... click here
 

Hoss the Hermit

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

Yeah, Pascal, I know, BUT, you'd be surprised.........

SAFETY - IT'S WHAT I DO, IT'S WHO I AM!!!!!!!!!
REMEMBER CHARLIE
 

Turin

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

I would recommend using the more expensive silver resin soldering iron because is melts better and has a more corrosion protective ability
 

j_martin

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

I solder every connection I can. For a big cable like that, I'd slip 2 pieces of shrink tubing onto the wire, then strip it and clamp it vertically in a portable vise. The wire has to be spotlessly clean. Then I slip the terminal onto the wire, heat it with a suitably sized torch, either one of the micro-flame ones, or a regular propane soldering torch for the 4 gauge and larger stuff and solder it with a good grade of electronic solder. (Kester eutectic resin core)

After it cools I butter the end with a drop of liquid electrical tape, push the shorter piece of heat shrink in place and shrink it, then the longer one.

A variation I use on smaller connectors is that I use one of the shrink insulation connectors. If you trim the end of the insulation so you can solder it, then do the procedure above, the insulation will flow over the connection. Shrink the rest and you have a professional, marine ready connection.

I have never replaced one because of corrosion failure.

On the idiot thing, education doesn't necessarily make any difference. I was working on a power supply design, back when the filter caps were the size of your leg, and had it bread boarded all over the bench. The highly educated engineer over me was checking it out, and decided he'd change something, grabbed my grounded soldering iron and stuck it into the circuitry. A bright flash later he had half of the soldering iron, and had taken the power out all the way back to the 220 v mains. Approximately 1 square foot of breadboarded circuitry had vaporized.

hope it helps
John
 

WizeOne

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Re: Would you solder battery cables?

If you buy copper eyelet ends for you cable, they actually have solder pellets that you can get for each cable/terminal size. You drop the pellet in, heat up the fitting then ram in the cable end and hold till it cools.

Really neat.
 
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