'94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

i thought i had given you this link, http://shop2.evinrude.com/ext/index.aspx?s1=bf6ad09c53cead335fcfd8a6471c0f7f
where it says evinrude upper left, use drop down menu to johnson, follow prompts. to your motor, diagrams and parts list for the complete motor.

I think you did, and I was checking it out earlier. I am just curious how much room there is under that seal to gunk up to make it shift that badly. I'm hoping I don't have to open up the lower unit, but I may have to if I can't get this thing to shift properly. Problem is, I just hope I can get it back together properly if I take it apart.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

don't open it without an OEM Johnson service manual.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Yeah, I've been looking for a used one somewhere, b/c I don't really have/want to spend so much on a new one. $130 is a lot for me right now, especially when I'm already looking at $200+ in parts on this thing and I still don't know what's causing my main problem.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

i think what i would do in your case, is go back and concentrate on the power head. you can clamp a water hose to the water pickup tube, turn the water hose on low, you can run the motor like this, it will also show you if there is sand in the powerhead, it could very possibly be all the way to the thermostat.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Ok, I'm gonna get laughed at for this (if not by people here but by my family), but I was looking in the wrong area for the manual. I found a factory repair manual for 1994 Johnson 60-70hp motors on ebay for $35. 200+ pages, etc. Does that sound like what I'm looking for? It's NOT Seloc, Clymers, etc.
Link here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/John...1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
Hope that link works
Regardless, even if I can't get this thing to run right, I'll be parting it out, so I need to know the condition of the LU, so I don't mind spending some money on it to find out. I'll get more for it if I have a new water pump on it, new seals on top, and if I have to open it up, at least I'll know the condition of it.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Oh, and part of the parts I'm ordering is a head gasket so I can pull that head off to check that top cylinder.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

yep, a good lower won't be worth much with out a good power head. that manual is the one you need, and at a great price.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Well I know, but if I end up parting this thing out, I need to know the condition of all the parts I'll be parting out. IF the power head is good enough to be fixable and I like the motor, the lower unit on my '98 55hp I believe is the same as on this 60hp, it's a large gearcase with the same propshaft anyways, the props are interchangable.
How do you cross-ref that? Just look at the diagrams for the different engine and see if the part # is the same?
*Then again, if that is how you do it, maybe not. The props are the same, but I can't find matching #'s for the gearcase, unless I'm doing something wrong.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

if splines match, bolt patterns, water tube, shift rod, it is highly possible.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

I've only cross-referenced the props. I check to see if ones for my engine would also fit this 60hp, and they do. This 60 came with a crappy aluminum prop that is sort of beat up, but I have a really nice SS one for mine, and the 55hp commercial motors used the large gearcase like this 60 does, that's why I'm thinking they may fit.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Ok, so to make a long story short, I ended up pulling the water pump housing off today, but the impeller isn't budging. It spins properly, but it's not coming off. I'm guessing it's rusted to the key. So, how do you get it off now? Just cut it off? I just wanted to check before doing that.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

i use a dremel tool, and cut it, don't scare the shaft.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Although, with the amount of rust this thing had on it I doubt I'd hurt it any. I spent the last hour with a screwdriver, WD40, and some steel wool scraping off the rust from the shaft, then getting what was left off with the steel wool. It looks 10 times better now. Time to go hack away an impeller. Fun stuff.
Oh, and thanks.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Ok, yet another question. I'm trying to replace the shift rod seal at the top of the gearcase (it's next to the water pump housing). How do you get it off? Does the shift rod unscrew from the LU and it slide off that way? I'm not seeing how it would come off the top since the top of the shift rod is flattened and slightly larger diameter than would go through that seal.
*EDIT
Forget that last part, I just unscrewed it. I know it was out of whack anyways height-wise, so I just unscrewed it.
Now my question is how do you get that freakin seal off? I have tried and tried pulling the shift rod out from that seal at the gearcase, nothing happening. I've unbolted it, removed it from the gearcase, clamped vice grips on the shift rod, stood on the vice grips, and pulled on the seal while twisting it as hard as I can...nothing. It will move a little bit at first where the shift rod is worn down a little, but then it just freezes in place. I'm thinking I may have to cut this stupid thing off. I think this is why I can't change gears very well, or not at all in the case of reverse. The shift rod does not move down due to the seal, it will only move slightly upwards, as in enough to get forward.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Bump
Anyone have suggestions on the last part of the previous post?

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

you have mail.

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Ok, found out why I can't get this darn thing into reverse. The seal that is on the lower unit where the shift rod goes in was corroded in place, making it so the engine would not shift into gears well/at all. I had to cut the freakin thing off with a Dremel, and unfortunately, I dinged the shaft with the Dremel, so now I've got to get another shift rod too since it's right where the seal goes through it.
So, since my shift rod was out of whack anyways, I know someone gave me a measurement of how long it is supposed to be when properly installed, but does someone happen to have a diagram (even a crappily hand made one they could scan) showing exactly where to measure the length of it when I get a new one?
Here's a pic or two of what's left of the seal:


Images are clickable for full size.

Oh, and after removing the seal, I screwed the rod back in to check it would shift ok, and it's all good. I've got forward, neutral, and reverse, and it's not gonna take a hammer to get it in gear now.

 

[lyncraft_mechanic]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Here is picture straight out of the shop manual of where to take the measurement. in the picture is a shift rod adjustment tool Part # 389997, avaliable through this websitehttp://www.usboatsupply.com if i were you i would just improvise and use a straight edge, such as a yard stick, mark your measurement, drill a hole in the yard stick and glue in a wooden dowl that fits the hole in the end of the shift rod. I don't know if you see it in the picture but that is all that tool does except it is adjustable

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: '94 60hp Johnson Can't Get Into R

Thanks. I got some parts in today, but still need the seal for that shift rod. I ordered a lower unit seal kit and they said everything I needed was in it, but that wasn't.