85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

skulldog32

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My motor dose not have neutral the blue & green wires have power to both in reverse & in the neutral position the green is hot. Foward & reverse work perfect, in the netural position it is in foward even at an idle. I recently changed the impeller & pulled the shifting silinoids out to get to the impeller, I feel like I put everything back correctly. also I replaced the amp & coil & it runs perfect, however I did not reinstall this funny looking brown ball comming off the amp's purple wire the new instructions did not tell me anything about this brown ball I think it is a diode. Please help.
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

Frankly, it does not make sense that it would have reverse but not neutral. It has to go through neutral to get to reverse. I wonder if you screwed something up by removing the solenoids? And why did you remove them anyway? That is not part of the water pump procedure. Are you positive that you have enough voltage on the green wire in neutral? Doesn't sound like it. The "monkey nutz" brown ball is part of the shift circuit. Put it back in.

More questions than answers, I know.

You forgot to do the most important step: Buying a repair manual before messing with something you know nothing about.
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

I will get manual asap, The transmission is in foward gear when in the netural position & clunks into reverse from netural or from the foward position. Also I just remembered even before I droped the lower end it was the same situation no netural. Do you think my netural switch in the remote is bad?
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

Put the ball back in and check all the connections. I would put them back together exactly the way they were removed and yes, good god man buy a manual ..
The one thing I know best about the old 70s eletric shift lower units is if they are working don't mess with them...
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

Hydro Electric Shift)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

Ok I just disconnected the green & blue wires then I jumped 12 volts to the green & I have netural , this feels like a good thing but what do I do now.
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

wow tasahadaddy hooked you up with good info. If you eliminated that its not the lower unit itself then its probably your control shift switch. There has to be a way to test it. Probably in the manual.
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

Ok now it works, I disconnected some diode under the dash & then it worked, then I pluged the diode back in and now it still works. So I am sure it is electrical not mechanical, thanks for all the expert advise.
 

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Re: 85 horse johnson hydro shift 1970ish no neutral

An intermittant electrical problem for sure. Bad connection somewhere, or corroded/broken wire, or bad shift switch. Shift switch is most likely and by far the most expensive. About $400.
 
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