overdrive

zach103

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What is overdrive, what does it actually do.. and is it better to have on or off when towing
 

scipper77

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Re: overdrive

It's an extra gear put on automatic transmissions to lower the rpm's at cruising speeds and result in better gas mileage. Older vehicles say not to use Overdrive for towing as it puts an extra strain on the tranny. My ford escape says nothing about this in the owners manual but I turn it off if I'm going up a hill.

hope this helps!

Try this,
When cruising on the expressway turn O/D off. watch the rpm's they should go up a little as the tranny downshifts.
 

mthieme

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Re: overdrive

A manual transmission can have an overdrive too. It is typically geared less than 1:1 for highway economy. I have a '95 Dodge that stays in OD all the time towing or not.
 

Bass Tracker TX17

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Re: overdrive

scipper77 is correct.
Reading your owners manual is a good place to start.
However, common sense is needed also.
Feeling how your vehicle is sounding and working gives you the info you need to take it out of OD. I can tow the same road on 2 different days and will have it out of od one day and not the other.
 

Mike722

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Re: overdrive

Owners manual or dealer. Our 97 Ford said OD off when towing to make the transmission cooler work right. My 02 Chevy has a tow button that seems to turn OD off as well as change the shift points on the lower gears.
 

kenmyfam

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Re: overdrive

Depends what vehicle you have, what you are towing and the terrain you are towing in whether you use it or not.
 

45Auto

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"Overdrive" just means that the transmission output shaft - which is connected to the driveshaft on an automobile - is turning faster than the engine. Doesn't matter if it's a standard or automatic. For example, a GM 4L60E automatic has the following gear ratios:

First - 3.059
Second - 1.625
Third - 1.000
Fourth (Overdrive) - 0.696

My Saturn 5-speed manual has the following ratios:
1 - 3.250
2 - 2.056
3 - 1.423
4 - 1.033
5 (Overdrive) - 0.730

In the 4L60E example, this means that in 1st the engine turns 3 times for every turn of the driveshaft. In 2nd the engine turns 1.6 times every time the driveshaft turns once. In 3rd gear the engine and driveshaft are locked together and turning at the same speed. In 4th gear the engine is only turning .7 of a revolution every time the driveshaft turns 1 complete revolution. Thus the drive shaft is turning faster than the engine, and is called "overdriven".

Overdrive used to be rare. High gear in an automatic was always 1:1. The manufacturers just locked the engine crankshaft to the transmission output shaft. The desire for higher gas mileage drove manufacturers to add the additional overdrive gears.

No gears are 100% efficient. Gears and bearings and pumping transmission fluid around generate heat. The advantage of cruising with an automatic NOT in overdrive is that you are NOT using the transmission gears and generating heat. If the engine and transmission output shaft are locked together (1:1 ratio) so they are turning at the same speed then you aren't putting heat into the transmission through the gears.

Lots of the latest automatic transmissions are efficient enough and have enough cooling capacity to tow in overdrive. Check the manufacturers recommendation on towing. If they say NOT to tow in overdrive, they're trying to keep you from burning up the transmission. In any case, if the transmission is "hunting" up and down (constantly switching gears or locking and unlocking the torque converter) you are generating a lot of heat and need to move to a lower gear.
 

JB25VIP

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I pull my boat with an 06 GMC sierra 5.3L, boat and trailer 3,500 lbs. I use the tow haul option to turn off overdrive and change the shift points, makes it a lot easier going up hills and the transmission isn't trying to shift in and out of high gear. Although i was told by the guy at the GM dealership it's really not necessary to use tow haul unless your gonna tow over 4 or 5 thousand lbs. If you don't have tow haul and your hauling a heavy load I personally would not pull in overdrive.
 

ne7800

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with your truck and boat conbo i would think you would be fine in overdrive
 

reelfishin

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There's a difference in most vehicles between the tow/haul mode or trailer mode and overdrive. Overdrive is in most cases a 4th or 5th gear, tow/haul mode will change the shift points and pressures as well as often delete torque converter lock up from either overdrive or often all gears.
I would not use overdrive on most vehicles if towing a trailer that is more than half of its towing capacity, with or without a towing switch present.
The larger GM automatic trans, 4L80E and similar, need not much worry when towing a boat, and the same for the Ford 4L60E and E4OD transmissions, and the newer versions of that box as well.
What it boils down to is that if your vehicle is lugging in OD, shift to the next lower gear or turn off OD.
Newer vehicles such as GM which offer the Tow/Haul option handle larger loads much better in that using the Tow/Haul mode, it adapt the trans to a more aggressive shift patter as well as raises control pressures to make up for the added stress of towing.

If you don't have this mode, it's pretty much a judgment call, it's not a 100% fact not to use OD, and of course, not running in OD will hurt mileage, as will using the Tow/Haul mode.

Even more important on lighter vehicles, without the towing option or switch is to make sure you have a sufficient trans cooler for towing large loads.
Heat is the enemy of any auto trans, keep it cool and it will survive most anything within reason.

My Ranger has an OD manual trans, when towing any larger boats, about 1500lbs or more, I forgo using 5th gear for power reasons, as well as not running the AC as well. Doing so allows the truck to get the job done safely.
(Even without a trailer, I rarely use 5th gear unless on the open highway as its far too tall a ratio for much less than 65mph or better).

Much more important than not using OD, is to disable the lock up converter feature on most auto trans vehicles. Lock up in all but a few transmissions is achieved by a single friction clutch within the torque converter itself. It takes very little to burn this clutch under extreme loads.

Many transmissions will skip or disable converter lock up in manual third or if OD is not selected. The best option it to check your owners manual for proper towing procedures and to get a feel for the normal operation of your vehicle.
 

CharlieB

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Re: overdrive

Brother-in-law owns a transmission shop, tells me to ALWAYS use the Tow option and/or NEVER use the Overdrive when towing. Period

Installing an additional transmission cooler is very good insurance against the additional heat of towing.
 

bowman316

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i keep my ford explorer's automatic transmission in over drive, and just contol weather i am in drive or overdrive by how i step on the gas. If i want to go to overdrive, i just let up on the gas a little at the right speed, and it drops down to top gear. I want to come out of od, then i just let off the gas, and step back down on it.
I already get 12 mpg towing in od, hate to think what i would get towing in d at 1,000 higher rpms.
 

Cricket Too

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i keep my ford explorer's automatic transmission in over drive, and just contol weather i am in drive or overdrive by how i step on the gas. If i want to go to overdrive, i just let up on the gas a little at the right speed, and it drops down to top gear. I want to come out of od, then i just let off the gas, and step back down on it.
I already get 12 mpg towing in od, hate to think what i would get towing in d at 1,000 higher rpms.

I'd worry more about lugging your engine than MPG's when towing, you can't be worried about MPG at all when towing, that's pointless.

Your Auto trans may still lock up the Torque Converter even if it's not in OD, and you may not know it, you are not controlling lock up by letting on and off the gas, Auto transmissions have to be basically idiot proof, most people have no idea what they are doing.

As was mentioned, the small friction disc that controls your converter lock up will take a beating if it keeps having to lock up and unlock while towing a load, not to mention the extra heat that is being generated by it constantly doing that.

Your engine isn't going to be any happier at all just because it's running lower RPM's, in fact you're just making it harder for it to do it's work. Your not letting it put out near as much torque or power at say 2200, then if you let it stay at 3000. That's why the shift points change with the Tow option also, to let the engine spin up and actually put out enough power to do it's job without lugging. If you have a manual, let it spin up to 4K or higher before shifting, you'r not helping it at all by shifting at 2500 with a trailer behind you.

Safest and best thing to do is take the OD off, so you may burn more gas, but the engine will be happier doing it and so will your tranny. Besides you're towing a boat that probably gets 1 or 2 MPG, so what's the point in worrying about losing 1 or 2 while trailering, that loss will be cheaper than a new tranny.
 

kenmyfam

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I'd worry more about lugging your engine than MPG's when towing, you can't be worried about MPG at all when towing, that's pointless.

Your Auto trans may still lock up the Torque Converter even if it's not in OD, and you may not know it, you are not controlling lock up by letting on and off the gas, Auto transmissions have to be basically idiot proof, most people have no idea what they are doing.

As was mentioned, the small friction disc that controls your converter lock up will take a beating if it keeps having to lock up and unlock while towing a load, not to mention the extra heat that is being generated by it constantly doing that.

Your engine isn't going to be any happier at all just because it's running lower RPM's, in fact you're just making it harder for it to do it's work. Your not letting it put out near as much torque or power at say 2200, then if you let it stay at 3000. That's why the shift points change with the Tow option also, to let the engine spin up and actually put out enough power to do it's job without lugging. If you have a manual, let it spin up to 4K or higher before shifting, you'r not helping it at all by shifting at 2500 with a trailer behind you.

Safest and best thing to do is take the OD off, so you may burn more gas, but the engine will be happier doing it and so will your tranny. Besides you're towing a boat that probably gets 1 or 2 MPG, so what's the point in worrying about losing 1 or 2 while trailering, that loss will be cheaper than a new tranny.

My Jimmy does 17 mpg whether I am in O/D or not when towing or for that matter whether I am towing or not !!!
I would be very fearful of what I was doing to the torque converter slipping in and out of O/D like that. I am in the "No Overdrive" club !!!!
 

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Read the owners manual. The age of the vehicle and the make/model can have different options. I'm not 100% sure (since I haven't read the owners manual for many months) but using tow/haul mode on my 05 Dodge Ram disengages transmission lockup function, raises line pressure and adjusts shift points in the trans, and has the added bonus if using cruse control in tow/haul mode and going down a hill, it will automatically downshift the trans to help control your speed. I really appreciated the downshifting w/cruse control when pulling my camping trailer through the mountains. I rarely had to touch the brakes.
 

GypsyJon

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All overdrive does in an automatic transmission is lock the vanes in the torque converter into a fixed position.

Towing with OD activated will generally burn out the torque converter after a while because it overheats. Then you are faced with an expensive problem.

Most owners manuals tell you not to tow in OD. I tow with a Toyota FJ Cruiser and in can not find info in this regard in the manual. However, when I finally was able to get hold of some one at Toyota, they told me not to tow in OD.

GypsyJon
 

zach103

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Re: overdrive

yah charlie thats in the mail right now lol.. . so no towing in overdrive.. what works for me lol
 
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