'59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

[tmcalavy]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

Here's a pix of my 57 E-rude Big Twin 35 with a Johnson 18 on the back of the Texas Maid. The Maid is wrapped for winter and sitting in the side yard right now, the Big Twin in the garage on a stand, the Johnson on a stand in the shop and I'm reviving a 56 30hp Lark to match with the Big Twin. Got the Lark running this morning before noon...Happy Christmas! Still need to rebuild the fuel pump and put the LU back on...then it can go to the lake in spring for fine-tuning. If you want/need that 35hp flywheel, drop me a PM.

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

TM that is a fine looking boat you have there! Where those engines professionally done. The paint looks amazing! I have talked to the guy with that nice looking '57 18HP as suggested above and talked him into shipping it!

I was working on the '59 35HP tonight . Removed the fuel pump and carb from the block (everything looked great inside nice clean shiny metal) Now removing the lower unit was/is proving difficult. Three of the bolt heads snapped off underneath the LU and I am going to have to pick up an impact driver tomorrow for the tons of screws. A hammer makes light work of this so I am told. Wonder why OMC didn't use bolt heads instead of screws,I guess 50 year old screws are a bit different than younger ones! Anyhow , I have not been able to free the lower unit. I remove the shift linkage cover plates on the leg(the inner and outer plate!) and loosened the bottom bolt which should have freed the linkage all the way and all the bolts under the LU are out, what am I missing here. No way there are bolts under the powerhead , this would be senseless on a 35 with access plates. Wonder what I am overlooking. I only have a parts diagram from a '58 35 but it should be identical or?

I have always wondered how running two outboards of different HP worked. Seemed to me that having more propulsion on one side or the other would cause the steering to be off. Also this is a rookie question but how do you control throttle and shift with two linked outboards using remote controls.I have to see a picture of this one,I tend to lean more towards visual thinking anyone got a picture?

TM I will drop you that PM ,thanks

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

Also forgot to mention that although there is no Model/serial plate I revealed with a little steel wool a gold plate that stated the serial number as 189021 .
Someone I am sure is able to decipher this as to the model number.

 

[pcrussell50]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

Anyhow , I have not been able to free the lower unit. I remove the shift linkage cover plates on the leg(the inner and outer plate!) and loosened the bottom bolt which should have freed the linkage all the way and all the bolts under the LU are out, what am I missing here.

i'm sure you've considered this, but the water tubes can hold on pretty tightly to the rubber grommets in the water pump housing, making dropping the lower harder than you think, even with all the screws removed. hth.

-peter

 

[Chinewalker]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

Also, the shift disconnect bolt (bottom one) needs to be removed, not loosened. And if you're still removing the rear shell, you won't be able to remove the lower unit until that is off - there's one more bolt under the cover, coming down from the exhaust housing side. I've seen a few of those exhaust housings broken over the years because owner's didn't remove that bolt when pulling the unit and busted off the rear flange...

- Scott

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

Power on the Maid was professionally done by me...neither one needed much mech work, just minor tune-up stuff. I did all the necessary mech stuff and cosmetic stuff. You can see more on the boat at my antique outboard site, www.acmeoutboards.com
A can of PB Blaster or Kroil (penetrating oil) and an impact wrench is your best friend in most cases. I hit each bolt/fitting with the oil when I get a motor in the shop, sometimes twice, and let it sit overnight or longer before I put a wrench/bit on them. Haven't broken one off yet using this method. If that Johnson 18 has seen saltwater, use a lot of penetrating oil and go slowly servicing it. Hopefully it was well maintained.
As Chinewalker says, pull the lower bolt out of the shift connector...be careful putting it back together, the groove in the shift rod must line up exactly with the connector hole in order to get the bolt in right. Getting up close and personal with a flashlight always works for me. Don't try to pull the LU until you get the rear housing off as Chinewalker says.
Mismatched power does cause a little steering veer, but not much...kinda like an old Ford with front end slightly out of alignment. Each outboard in a twin setup has it's own throttle/shift cable, so you route four cables to the control (twin control...two throttle controls, two shift controls). The steering connector keeps the outboards tied together...like a drag link on an auto front end...because the Maid uses cable over pulley steering (photos of the connector and control are attached). I bet Chinewalker recognizes the control on the Maid...it came from his pile of goodies.

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

ChineWalker ,I was wondering if that needed to be removed first. Not having an impact wrench I was ill equiped for the job. i have learned working on old motorcycles that if something doesn't com with a few decent taps with a rubber mallet then there is probably one more bolt that I missed! Gonna go to auto zone and gear up today. Harmonic balance puller to remove the flywheel ,penetrating oil , impact driver.... the works. gonna soak those screws thoroughly before trying to remove them and work somemore on the boat today. Took the carb apart last night , it looks great ,all shiny and clean. I have cleaned many motorcycle carbs on four banger old japer bikes but this is the first I have seen a cork float! It looks in great shape though. Still gonna change it out with the carb kit plastic one if everything else is green light with the bearings. Now inspecting the bearing..... What has to be removed in order to do this? I am thinking they are like auto wheel bearings,cylindrical ,is this correct. Was told if bearings were rusted and shot to scrap the whole project or just use as a parts motor. Would this be noticable when turning the flywheel? What would the symptoms be ? Seems to me alot of friction and thus not good rotation. Logically.

TM , that is your website? I thought I seen that boat before. You are an old pro! Where did you procure the paint? How was it applied? Did you trash the old windshield or clean it somehow? I got a Taylor Maid Windshield in very good shape minus one crack about six inches long. It is an eyesore but I don't have the funds to spring for a new one or the tools to mold one myself. It is crystal clear though so I might find some creative way of using some vinyl graphics to conceal it. There is the right way and then there is my own , that being the clever cheap way! I work with and around what I got! Thanks for explaining the twin controls though. What kinda control box do you use?

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

The control box is a Johnson Shipmaster dual control...courtesy of Chinewalker. My windshield was really dirty and kind of frosted, but some Meguiars's plastic cleaner and plastic restorer/polish (about $6 per bottle) did wonders on it. Good enough to keep using anyway. The paint is Pettit Easypoxy bikini blue...bought online in a quart can. I did the roll and tip method...apply with a short-nap, closed-cell foam roller (bought here in the Imall marine store) in small areas, say 2' X 2', then lightly drag over the paint with a cheap box-store foam brush. If I had done more prep, it would look much better...but me and my fishing buddy (chocolate lab) aren't hung up on how it looks, long as it fishes/runs good.

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: '59 Super sea Horse 35 HP vs.'62 40 HP RK-24

Couldn't agree more with you . I think it looks awesome. Where did you get he horns? Wow, I am amazed you did all that with a quart rolling it! Hmmm, now you got me thinking.... Well I tore into the engine some last night I am gonna start a new thread as this one's getting quite long .