Half-ton Mom and Dad

[a70eliminator]

Re: Half-ton Mom and Dad

Ever since Congress passed the "Americans With No Abilities Act" nothing is ever someone's own fault. I'm fat? Not my fault. I can't read or write? Not my fault. I got caught drunk driving? Not my fault. You get the picture.

I know a couple whom are both very obese had to build a ramp up to their trailer, they have two kids that are the same ages as mine 13-14 they are friends and play together but lately all I hear is "Timmy has a dirtbike" or "Patty gets a cell phone with unlimited text" Sorry kids we just can't afford it.

Find out later that this couple is on disabilty!

 

[puddle jumper]

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Reading all what you are writing. I think what i can boil it down to me is, I like good food. Was taught at an early age not to leave anything on your plate (disrespectful to the person who cooked it). Body type and love to watch tv.

This is what we've done to change things. We still cook good food but only enough for that meal(no left overs). Only eat on till full ( we stress this to our kids when we go out to dinner). Plus we are more active ( witch boating is part of it). The down fall is we still watch to much tv/computer.

 

[aspeck]

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Here is an email that just came to my inbox that has some pretty good reasoning for all of us that are too short for our weight ...

My Kind of Reasoning ...

We all get heavier as we get older because there is a lot more information in our heads. So, I'm not fat, I am just really intelligent and my head couldn't hold anymore so it started filling up the rest of me!

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

 

[jonesg]

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Interesting..Last night on A & E there was an hour long special on the 7 deadly sins...Sloth was the pick of the hour..The debate was..that so many Americans are lazy and unmotivated nowadays..they were asking or debating if Sloth was a sin..or a"disease". Scientist are even looking into it..blew my mind..

first you have to define exactly what sin is, and seeing as "the wages of sin are death " it must be something significant.
Sin can be generally described as anything that keeps a person from their creator.
Or put less religiously, anything that keeps a person from the power of Good.
Scientists are fasinated by it, that don't mean they have a clue though.

 

[jonesg]

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I know a couple whom are both very obese had to build a ramp up to their trailer, they have two kids that are the same ages as mine 13-14 they are friends and play together but lately all I hear is "Timmy has a dirtbike" or "Patty gets a cell phone with unlimited text" Sorry kids we just can't afford it.

Find out later that this couple is on disabilty!

You probably won't have any trouble understanding this then,
obesity is a spiritual disease or malady with mental, emotional and physical manifestations. When the spiritual malady is overcome the mental,emotional and physical symptoms slowly disappear. Thats why diets alone don't work, the food is just a symptom. If you have a pain in your left shoulder and take aspirin...then have a heart attack and die, you only treated the symptom and symptoms are mere surface indicators of underlying problems.

People who think they can "fix" obese people (like the popular idiot TV programs) just think they are God, unconsciously and with "good intentions".

Read up on **** Gregory , he invented a miracle diet and made one obese guy(walter Hudson) his personal mission, weighed over 1000lbs and Gregory got him down enough that he could get out of his bed, he ended up dead anyway.
http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/dimtext/hudson.html

When Hudson wouldn't perform for **** Gregory's cameras, Gregory deserted him. God don't do that. When a person is beyond human help, they need to put reliance on something greater than humans. Thats why overeaters annonymous isn't about not eating , food or diets, its about finding a Power greater than self that will solve their problem ( not to be confused with finding a power that you could use to solve the problem yourself).

 

[jonesg]

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All my post was trying to point out was that you can't lump all into one category ... there are many "causes" of obesity, and most are a personal choice.

The same could be said about smoking, or any other habit (the only difference between smoking and overeating is that you have to eat to live and you cannot stop eating "cold turkey.").

You got that right, there are many causes , but theres one sure fire way out.
Every addict and drunk has a personal story that got them where they ended up, each story may have similarities but they tell pretty much the identical story of how they got free.
And if you listen to how they got free it becomes clear what the common cause was in the first place. It just "plays out" individually.
It always centers in the mind.

My biz partner is in OA and AA, she says over eating is insidious compared to other addictions because we all still have to eat.

 

[F14CRAZY]

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Is it bad that when searching the forum for info on what oz fabric to use for my decking, that this is one of the first threads to come up? I think you'd need epoxy and 1'' decks to restore their boat...and that's pushing the rated load limit of my Capri

 

[gonefishie]

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You probably won't have any trouble understanding this then,
obesity is a spiritual disease or malady with mental, emotional and physical manifestations. When the spiritual malady is overcome the mental,emotional and physical symptoms slowly disappear. Thats why diets alone don't work, the food is just a symptom.

You're right, diet alone don't work because you also have to excersise to burn off the excess. I don't understand how this problem has anything to do with spiritual.

 

[jonesg]

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You're right, diet alone don't work because you also have to excersise to burn off the excess. I don't understand how this problem has anything to do with spiritual.

Its a bit paradoxical , spiritual symptoms of morbid obesity are characterized by self centeredness, selfishness, dishonesty and fear.
Its exactly identical to compulsive gambling, alcoholism, addiction...you name it...they all got it.

Someone who weighs 800lbs can't exercise, they can't stand up.
What studies find is medical help and therapy help but don't provide long term solutions, the obese tend to eat more than they did before they started to lose weight. The reason is they still think the way they did.

They cannot change the way they think, they are beyond human aid.
No-one can change their fundamental state of being by themself because it arises and resides in the subconscious mind, its out of reach without help.
Its hard enough for a normal person to change their thinking but possible, for the addict its not possible or they wouldn't be addicts.
The food addicts insane mind doesn't want to change so it resists therapy and interspection, it wants to stay sick because it thinks its normal and everyone else is wrong. But the addict themself isn't consciously aware of all this. Telling them doesn't help either, knowledge of self is not to be confused with Know Thyself.

Knowledge of self is what you might learn with a good psychiatrist's help.
Know Thyself is what God shows us.

Shrinks don't have an answer, they can show anyone how sick they are and dole out the happy pills but the underlying problem persists and resists and eventually manifests again. When the ailment is spiritual then nothing that can be seen, touched smelled or heard can solve it.

When the problem is spiritual the solution is spiritual.

 

[tashasdaddy]

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I understand what you are saying, my roommate is ADHD, terrible condition, she has meds for it. but says it makes her feel wierd. i say yes, you feel wierd, do to the fact that for 68 years you have not felt normal, and relaxed.

one thing i really can't understand, is how did these people get in this condition? didn't someone notice at 300lbs, 400lbs. then you get to where you can move, and get bored, so to easy the boredom, you eat some more. i think at one point the family needs to intervene, just like a drug intervention.

 

[jonesg]

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The family is usually part and parcel of the problem, someone is shoveling food into an obese person who cannot get out of bed.

Yrs ago I had a buddy who was in recovery, the high end treatment program he was in (MacCleans Hospital) wouldn't allow him to live at his mothers house as part of the treatment, he had to get out of her house and stand on his own 2 feet. They found him a gvmnt apt.(free!)
I lost track of him but a yr later his ma called and said she came home and he was dead, drank half a gal of vodka..in her house , why did she let him back in?
An AA oldtimer at the funeral said they should have put him in his casket face down, that way they could keep kissin his butt. The obvious hint was that he was enabled to death. Real hardcore stuff but I think it was love nonetheless because it was truth.

 

[wildmaninal]

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I weigh around 220 and stand 6'2" tall, my weight should be around 190 for my height.

I was a little off on my weight, I actually only weigh 205 or 208 not 220, only 15 to 18 pounds over what I should be. Fully dressed I weigh probably 220 though. I guess I should of weighed myself before I posted, makes me happier though that I obviously did lose weight.

 

[jonesg]

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Personally I don't give those ideal height weight ratios a second thought.
There was a study that recommended they be adjusted as they're a bit too perfect.

 

[jonesg]

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I understand what you are saying, my roommate is ADHD, terrible condition, she has meds for it. but says it makes her feel wierd. i say yes, you feel wierd, do to the fact that for 68 years you have not felt normal, and relaxed.

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you're right.

from personal experience, my partner of 25 years died of cancer, I started to fall apart as my shrink freind hinted I might, so he recommended me to someone. The first visit he says I'm severely depressed (beyond mourning) and had probably been so all my life, I never noticed because I didn't know anything else. And yeh the meds are very strong, I weaned myself off them after 2years. Glad the antidepressents were available and glad to be off them too. They were sota like training wheels, but some people don't want to change and they keep their reliance on the meds, but I don't think they good for long term.

Theres an interesting book about adhd, (The pathologizing of America) first its not a real condition even though those diagnosed have real symptoms, its a name for something they don't have another term for.
I never saw it growing up in europe.
I suspect its a result of sloppy parenting where a child is not taught limitations and is spoilt.

I went to catholic school in England , adhd behavior is cured with a leather strap.

 

[PaulyV]

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first you have to define exactly what sin is, and seeing as "the wages of sin are death " it must be something significant.
Sin can be generally described as anything that keeps a person from their creator.
Or put less religiously, anything that keeps a person from the power of Good.
Scientists are fasinated by it, that don't mean they have a clue though.

What blew my mind with the scientist researching this was...SLOTH a disease??? Cmon now..It seems like they are trying to find another excuse for lazy Americans looking for an easy way out. Nowadays it seems alot of people dont want to put in the hard work it takes to raise a family and be a productive part of society. Theres always a pill or some excuse for someone who refuses to contribute to the American way.

 

[DJ]

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you are doing things totally wrong, you have to eat, atleast 3 meals a day. when you don't your body takes all the calories, and stores it for the next day.

a bowl of cheerios, no sugar. hamburger patty, no bread, salad with vinegar and just a little oil. cutting out the "whites" bread, rice, potatoes, are all starches, and starches love your hips, and belly. there are a lot of us who by heritage are prone to bellies, we will never have 6 pack abs. but we can be a lot healthier. there are many exercises you can do with out walking or running.

PRECISELY!

 

[gonefishie]

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What blew my mind with the scientist researching this was...SLOTH a disease??? Cmon now..It seems like they are trying to find another excuse for lazy Americans looking for an easy way out. Nowadays it seems alot of people dont want to put in the hard work it takes to raise a family and be a productive part of society. Theres always a pill or some excuse for someone who refuses to contribute to the American way.

What blew my mind is there's always a "clinical diagnosis" of everything. ADD can be cure easily with hard love but like you said, people just don't want to take the time. I think this seed had been planted a long time ago. It may not be very common a few generations ago so that it wasn't a problem but it's full blown today. I strongly believe society does have influence on a person but the family is the biggest influence. For most peoples, they tend to be like their parents.

 

[jonesg]

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What blew my mind with the scientist researching this was...SLOTH a disease??? Cmon now..It seems like they are trying to find another excuse for lazy Americans looking for an easy way out. Nowadays it seems alot of people dont want to put in the hard work it takes to raise a family and be a productive part of society. Theres always a pill or some excuse for someone who refuses to contribute to the American way.

I don't buy the disease excuse model either.
Its not a disease, its a symptom, the so called scientists are clueless.
All of the 7 deadly sins are symptoms and if analysed out thoroughly the only conclusion is they all have their root in fear.
Pride, fear that people will not see me as great as I imagine myself to be.
Greed, fear that I will not have enough ( of anything and everything)
Sloth, frozen by fear.
Envy, fear that I will never have what others have.
...and so on.

When the fear is removed the symptoms disappear.
This sort of fear grows out of the ego, when the ego is running someones life they will experience this, ego can't handle anything, neither failure nor success. The 12 step process smashes the ego and the fear goes away.
I've seen it work almost overnite.

 

[DJ]

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S-L-O-T-H

Slow-Lazy-Otherwise-Thoughtless-Humans

 

[jonesg]

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hehehe,

sober
S-on O-f a B-it** E-verything is R-eal

DENIAL
D-on't E-ven N-otice I- A-m L-ying

slip
So Long I'm Perfect

Ego
E-asing G-od O-ut

Fear....
F*** Everything and Run
F-alse E-vents A-ppearing R-eal
F-ace E-verything A-nd R-ecover!

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