88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

apaulos

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Just ranting... Appreciate any feedback.


I took my boat out for another test run. It's a 17' Sailfish w/ a 93 88SPL. Started right up, warmed it up, and idled out into the channel. Once in the channel, I throttled up and it wouldn't go over 2500RPM at full throttle. I throttled back to idle and tried a few times more. Each time, it would rev up like it should and then beyond about half throttle it wouldn't develop any more power.

My previous test run a couple of weeks ago, it would just bog right off idle. I did the link and sync procedure from the OMC manual and went for a run today. Since there was an improvement, I messed around on the water with all the adjustments (throttle cam, idle timing, and speed, and WOT timing). Not much luck.

I noticed when I did a really hard turn to the left to head back to the ramp the engine picked up a bit. I then tried pressing the electric primer on the key and the RPM increased by 500. Same if I turned on the manual primer. The other bit is I can't kill the motor be running the primer at idle. I think in the past I have been able to.

Stuff I've tried/verified:
1) replaced water/fuel canister
2) verified no restriction in pulling fuel from tank through separator canister
3) verified primer bulb isn't collapsing. Did notice that when I squeeze the primer bulb hard I'm able to squeeze fuel either backwards to the tank or into the carbs past the carb floats.
4) pulled both carbs, disassembled and cleaned out all passages and jets using wd40, carb cleaner and compressed air. I wasn't able to loosen the two brass screws at the bottom and outside of the bowl. I did the carb clean out early on since the engine wouldn't idle after it had set for a few months. Before sitting, it was running great.
5) used a spark gap tester on all four coils and plenty of spark.
6) used a timing light to check idle and WOT (via the Reeves method) and all cylinders firing.
7) checked plugs and always way too oily. Probably too much time idling on the hose.
8) pulled each plug wire and verified that engine would idle worse without it. When I pulled cyl #1, engine would die! Strange since pulling the other wires would resolve on a really rough idle.

Next Steps:

1) run a test tank w/ new hose and primer bulb.
2) pull carbs and do a full rebuild. I'll need to somehow pull the two brass plug screws from each of the cards. I think the previous owner used locktight or super glue or something else.
3) redo a compression check. I did one last year and the #'s were around 110lbs and the engine was running really well.
4) replace plug wires. I've been doing a lot of pulling and twisting and a couple of the terminals ends needed to be reseated.
5) start looking at a possible ignition issue. The idle is ok, not great, and there is a skip every couple of seconds.
 

HighTrim

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

First thing that I would check is that the engine is not overheating. Next disconnect the TAN tempe wire from the pack then run her again. If all is now well, replace the temp switch. Finally, make sure the TAN temp switch wire is not located next to a spark plug wire.

After that, bath and rebuild that carb properly. I would invest in an OEM Service manual if you do not already have one. Go to the FAQ section here on iboats and have a peek at a thread by Tashasdaddy regarding carb rebuilds.

Keep us informed, good luck!
 

apaulos

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

Thanks HighTrim.

I'm pretty sure the engine isn't overheating. I used a temp gun on the heads while I was out there. I think you are implying that the engine might be going into slow mode. It's a 93 and I assume it doesn't have a slow mode on overheat and just the horns sounds. Either way, I'll try pulling the brown wires on both heads on my next test run.

I'll be rebuilding the carbs as suggested. I keep thinking back to the motor running real strong before it sat for a few months.
 

apaulos

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

More of the story...

Looks like I'm back to square one.

After replying to HighTrim, I decided to wrench off the brass caps in the bottom of the bowls at all costs. I was able to undo the two top w/ the carbs still mounted. While the bowl emptied I noticed dried up oil crud flowing out. I will pull off both carbs and go through the cleaning process. I'm thinking of putting off the carb rebuilt kit since the gaskets and needle value were in very good shape. I'd rather solve the issue and then go back and do a full rebuild of the carbs.

and the rest of the story. Last week when I had it on the muffs it started running rough and I noticed that the primer bulb was collapsed. I thought it was due to being low on full and having the nose of the trailer fully down. I added fuel and everything seemed ok. Today running on the muffs with plenty of fuel and the trailer elevated, the bulb collapsed again! Now thinking back, this wasn't due to a low fuel problem but either a bad primer bulb or a restriction (crud in the pickup, anti-siphon, or bad hose). I'm planning on eliminating any chances by running on a portablel tank on the next test run.

and more...

I also pulled the plugs since I had run it hard on my test run at WOT (2500RPM) to check for any signs. Three plugs were cleaner then when I've been running it on muffs. The bottom left cylinder, the plug was dirty burnt oily that looked to me like the plug hadn't been firing. I've got good spark and will clean the plug and replace all the wires. My wires aren't in great shape given all the times I've twisted them off or gotten the cover latches hung up on them.

More to follow :) in a week or so.


"motor running real strong before it sat for a few months." exactly now we get more of the story. crudded up high speed jets. read this. http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=244013
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

collasping bulb, is the vent on fuel tank is closed, or clogged. the motor can not suck fuel out of a vacuum, thus the bulb collaspes.
 

apaulos

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

I had checked the vent and it is ok.

I'm going to try running it with the cap off and confirm if the primer collapses or not.

collasping bulb, is the vent on fuel tank is closed, or clogged. the motor can not suck fuel out of a vacuum, thus the bulb collaspes.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

there is an arrow on the bulb, it must point to the motor.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

Any chance one of the two bottom plug wires is grounding out on the lower cowling, causing a no spark on one hole? Try another fuel hose, I've seen the control valves in the bulb fail. I'd pull the anti-siphon valve off the top of the tank and make sure it funtions properly. If they get sand/debris in them, they stick and won't flow fuel properly.
 

apaulos

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Re: 88SPL - 2500RPM at WOT

Good point. I ran it without the cover during the test run. I'm going to run it on a separate tank, host and primer this weekend.

As far as the plug wires. I found two that the wire pulled out of the boot with a small amount of tugging. I cut the end back and attached the spring. This resulted in a change in the exhaust note. Much throatier and steps off idle much better.

My mindset is that I had an issue with the plug wires, an existing problem with fuel supply and gunk under the cap screws for the high speed jets.

I'm looking forward to my next test run this weekend.



Any chance one of the two bottom plug wires is grounding out on the lower cowling, causing a no spark on one hole? Try another fuel hose, I've seen the control valves in the bulb fail. I'd pull the anti-siphon valve off the top of the tank and make sure it funtions properly. If they get sand/debris in them, they stick and won't flow fuel properly.
 
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