two vs one

kennymcmack

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I'm always worried my engine will not work when I'm at the furthest place from the dock. What is the best way to get peace of mind when you're on the water? For a 15' boat, is it better to have two 30 HP engines instead of one 60 HP? Should I carry around a little 5 or 10 HP?
 

David Greer

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Re: two vs one

for a boat that small, a kicker under 5hp should work. Don't count on it against strong wind/current, though, but you don't want to be far from shore anyway.
Oars work, too.
 

Jeep Man

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Re: two vs one

Consider what you are using the boat for. If you are a fisherman, a small kicker motor is great for trolling and scouting out small bays and inlets. It then also serves as a back-up motor to get you to shore if your main engine fails. It's way more efficient to run one 60 than two 30's and far less to maintain.
 

MudSkunk

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Re: two vs one

trolling motor works too. will get you to shore or dock or close to someone else to ask for help and you will have two batteries worth of juice to use.
 

clarkbre

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Re: two vs one

I agree with the rest of the posts. It all depends on what kind of use your boat will be under. For me, I'm always within sight of land. I have a 15hp main motor with plenty of gas. If that fails, I have a battery trolling motor with a fully charged battery. If that too fails, I carry a pair of oars. In all, just make sure your boat is equipped with more than one propelling device.
 

grego

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Re: two vs one

What mudskunk said. a 27 to 50 footpound trolling motor will cost little. add a batt. cost about 100.oo dollars. when you are beating your boat on a riprap pile, you will wish you had. it will store in almost all storage compartments.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: two vs one

For most people, a main engine and a kicker would be the best solution, if two gasoline engines are desired. Having a trolling motor in place of the kicker can be a very convenient solution too, but it has to be remembered that a trolling motor will pull the boat very slowly and wear a battery down pretty quickly, when run "full bore." As such, this is not a good solution for people who venture far from the ramp.

Mounting a small pair of outboards can have alot of advantages and alot of disadvantages. I used to have a pair of ERude 35hp motors on my current boat and liked the setup alot. This setup is not entirely failsafe, however, because you can damage both engines if you hit something large. Even a large gill net can take out both clutch dogs (been there done that, have the T-shirt) and leave you dead in the water.

I don't necessarily subscribe to the theory that a matched set of outboards requires more maintenance than a single main powerplant and a kicker. In either case, two engines have to be maintained. That said, there may be a fair argument in terms of the cost of maintaining the two larger engines. There is also a higher cost in terms of gas and oil consumption. That issue is most of the reason why I removed my Rudes and went to a single Johnson 65hp, with a Johnson 6hp as a kicker.

One distinct advantage of the main engine/kicker combination, is that the kicker spends most of each trip tilted up, so it isn't likely to be damaged. That leaves the operator with a pretty reliable backup situation.

One caution, however - it gets very easy to neglect a kicker. I always try to run mine for at least a few minutes on each trip. I also try to make sure that it is run under load, in both forward and reverse gears, rather than just letting it idle at the dock. I don't always have time to do this, but I try to do it most of the time.

Even if you do this, you can fall victim to letting maintenance items go for too long. I maintain my own motors, but fell victim to this recently. I pulled my kicker off of my boat a couple of weeks ago to deal with a sticking gearshift handle, and then found myself fixing a number of other things.

I finally just decided that it was time to go through each system to do some housecleaning and rebuilding. I'm glad that I did, because I found alot of stuff wrong. By the time I am done, I will have disassembled the entire motor, with the exception of the powerhead and gearbox. All other components will have been cleaned, regreased and repainted in some cases. I will also have rebuilt the water pump (worked on that tonight), the fuel pump and the carburetor. I run aftermarket electronic triggers in this motor in place of points/condensors, so the ignition should be fine.

The best advice that I think we can offer is to consider all of the options presented here and then decide which fits your situation the best.

Welcome to iboats!
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: two vs one

cell phone, vhf, seatow or towboat membership, anchor.
 

Chris1956

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Re: two vs one

Kenny, 60HP is a lot of power for a 15 footer. You had best check the capacity plate to see if it is legal.

Two 30HP motors is probably impractical due to weight and room on the transom, and the expense of two batteries, and two sets of controls. It is also unnecessary if you maintain the single engine properly.

Stick with a 35-50HP single, and keep it is good repair, and use fresh fuel, and it will be reliable.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: two vs one

MANY of the new boat manufacters are now posting MAX HP and MAX ENGINE WEIGHT on the data plates.

A good example is the Triumph Boats. The 150 CC boat is rated at 60 HP max and max engine weight of 250 Lbs. Now just FYI of what that equates to...... an "older" 60 hp Johnson/E-rude weighs 268 Lbs. A modern (2009 model 25 HP Merc as an example) weighs in at 157 Lbs. I am sure you are getting the picture.......

To properly equip your boat with twin engines .... you would be using a pair of smaller outboards.
 

Mike Robinson

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Re: two vs one

I have a 19 footer with a 150 Johnson and a 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke kicker. I use the boat for Ocean fishing which includes alot of trolling with the kicker.

Almost everything about the Yamaha is independant of the Johnson, it has it's own battery, fuel supply and has a tiller if the steering system fails. I carry jumper cables in case one battery fails. The kicker will push the boat along at about 5 knots at WOT.

Not only does the kicker give me extra security to be able get to safety but it saves me fuel while trolling. The only disadvantage I can think of is the extra weight on the stern of the boat.
 

techwriter

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Re: two vs one

I am considering the same and have about decided on the "Island Hopper 4 cycle outboard". I will probably get the 4 cycle to not have to mix oil. My E 110 HP main has oil injection so I can use the same fuel. They only weight about 20 pounds and have the best price that I can find here at iboats.

I would be interested to find out what you decided to do and how it worked out for you.
 

windsors03cobra

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Re: two vs one

I am considering the same and have about decided on the "Island Hopper 4 cycle outboard". I will probably get the 4 cycle to not have to mix oil. My E 110 HP main has oil injection so I can use the same fuel. They only weight about 20 pounds and have the best price that I can find here at iboats.

I would be interested to find out what you decided to do and how it worked out for you.

Oh man reconsider on that hopper, find a nice Japanese 4 stroker.
 

Numlaar

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Re: two vs one

Kenny, 60HP is a lot of power for a 15 footer. You had best check the capacity plate to see if it is legal.

Stick with a 35-50HP single, and keep it is good repair, and use fresh fuel, and it will be reliable.

I have to disagree...

I have a 14'10" (considered a 15') bowrider, and mine is rated for a 70HP. I dont think that a 60 is too much for "all" 15' boats, but maybe for some.

As for the suggestions, I too support the main engine, with a kicker. Independent steering, controls, etc. and less chance of it falling victim to an impact that could take out your main motor.

Just be sure you don't go past your weight capacities with the total of the main engine, kicker, and kicker mounting plate! :)

good luck with it.
 
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