i need help again please....

allious

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i've posted about having electrical issues before, but a quick recap...i had issues getting my 1998 baja hammer 7.4l mpfi to turn over and i found out that there is a flaw in the design of the hammers gauge compartment that trapped water and corroded the connections, some of which very badly. anyway i carefully rewired most of the wires and with the help of ken got the ignition starting and cranking everytime. so i took the boat out sunday and it cranked right up. so i take off down the lake after about 2 minutes i notice the tach stopps working and my voltmeter is flicking between 10 and 12 volts, then the engine cuts out then shuts off completely...then it wont crank at all....no clicks nothing..the radio was sitting then turning on and off almost continuously as if dead short then fine dead short then fine so we tow it back to the the ramp and put it back on the trailer. i bring it home and and put my charger on it. as soon as i plug it in, the charger starts popping and sparking from the cables like it is shorting out...then POP it kills my charger!! i have all the switches on the dash "cut off" with no hot wire running to the switches. the only things with "power" outside the engine compartment right now are the engine switch, the power tilt/trim and radio. no blower or pump or trim tabs or power engine cover. what could be causing such a huge short. i did notice that there is a positive and negative wire going to the battery other than the battery cables and i'm not sure what those 2 wires go to. but what could cause such a large short but not pop a circuit breaker. when it went dead, something in the engine compartment smelled electrically "hot" but i couldn't tell where it was coming from...any ideas?
 

ken_23434

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Re: i need help again please....

Finding a short is not always easy to do.

You will need a multi-meter set for measuring resistance. If it has the audible feature that makes a chime when continuity is detected, that can really make things faster.

I would disconnect all wires from the (+) terminal of the battery. Leave the (-) wires connected. Hook up your multimeter to one of the ground wires, or better yet, directly to the (-) terminal of the battery (ensures you have good ground reference). It would be a good idea to disconnect the ECM. Taking a resistance of computer circuits is not a good idea.

Then, go to the wires you disconnected from the (+) terminal and check each one for continuity to ground. You stated there were a couple you did not know where they went. Well, if you get a low resistance reading (or the beep in continuity mode), then that wire is the one that is shorted. Still check the others, just to make sure you do not have more than one.

To isolate it further really depends on how your boat is wired and what stuff you have. Basically, you will need to follow the wire that showed indications of a ground and visually inspect it until you run out of wire. If you come to a component of some sort, try to unplug that component to eliminate it. For instance, you are following a wire and it goes to the radio, pull the main plug on the radio and check that wire. If the ground goes away, then it is something in the radio or it's in the plug. If the wire is still grounded, then you missed the problem and you need to start heading back towards the battery.

It will get really complicated if you have a terminal board or some other type of junction that then feeds many different circuits. Your fuse panel is one such location. However, from that main junction, each circuit downstream should have it's own fuse. Pull the fuses one at a time, until the ground goes away.

Big picture, most parts of a boat are not GROUND. Meaning, they do not conduct electricity and are not electrically common with the (-) terminal of the battery. (Unlike a car or truck, where the whole thing is metal and the (-) terminal is tied to the chasis.) This is why you must run two wires to almost everything in the boat. One to supply the (+) and the next to return it back to the battery (-).

The biggest area where a wire could get "grounded" to something metal is the engine. Take a close look at the wiring harnesses around the engine bay. See if any are pinched, chaffed, etc. Another thing I would look for is any wire that is getting "pinched" in any hatches or other places that might see some sort of movement.

Now, the fact that you have a short and did not blow a fuse is reason for concern. The purpose of a fuse or circuit breaker is to protect the wiring from excessive current (leads to a fire) which normally results from a short. There should be VERY LITTLE runs of wire with no fuse or breaker protection on the boat. For instance, the wire running to the main breaker (on my boat it's at the rear of the engine) is unprotected from shorts UNTIL the breaker. So, if that run of wire were to get grounded to the engine block, then I would have an unprotected ground. If someone has directly wired a bilge pump, radio, or ... to the battery without a fuse or breaker in the (+) leg, preferably as close to the battery as possible, then they have screwed you.

Only other thing I can think of, would be a wire that is submerged. A solid wire should be ok underwater, but if it has splices, connections, or some type of plug, the water might be creating the short. All the connections on the boat should be protected from water. A spice in the bilge, is just a bad idea.

I hope this helps some. There are companies that sell boat wiring harnesses to. If your harness is too full of "issues", it might be easier to buy one of the harnesses and wire it up fresh.
 

bhammer

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Re: i need help again please....

I have seen internal battery shorts do this before. Are you sure the battery is good. May want to take it to an autoshop and have it tested.
 

JustJason

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Re: i need help again please....

I've seen lots of internal battery shorts as well. Collapsed plates, and things like that.
If you have a servicable battery, go ahead and pop the tops off. Put the NEG of your multimeter on ground then go ahead and dip your positive in the electrolyte closest to the bat's NEG and start working your way towards the positive. You should be getting 2 - 2 1/4 volts per cell. If you get to a cell and get nothing, or something other than the 2 volts then that's where your problem is. Also if you have the caps off and if you use either a battery charger or a battery load tester and a cell starts to boil within a few seconds then you have a bad battery as well.
 

allious

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Re: i need help again please....

well thanks again ken..u b d man!! it took me all day long to figure it out. and it turned out to be the last part i thought...it was the newest part on the boat..the alternator has a dead internal short. it was recently replaced. it took me a while to figure out my meter had an aubible alarm on it. but when i did it took me right to it....so i got to get a new one or this one rebuilt. also bhammer and jason thanks also. it appears the battery was bad also. so guys...again you are the best forum memebers i've seen. you always come on here and help people. i know it takes alot of your time and expertise..but guys THANKS!! IT'S MEMBERS LIKE YOU GUYS THAT MAKE THIS FORUM AWESOME
 
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