New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

[DEDINWATR]

im new to boat motors, a snowmobile guy myself, i baught an Evinrude 40 hp motor for my fishing boat, the guy i baught it from said he ran it last weekend just fine, i installed it on my boat, hooked up a water hose to get it running at my house, and nothing, engine cranks but wont start, we checked for spark and nothing, baught new spark plugs and nothing, cut both of the wires on the kill switch thought maybe that was it and nothing, is there something else you need to just in the kill switch wires to bypass it or just cutting them is enough, also i dont have the manual and im not sure what this motor takes for gas/oil mixture, im assuming that is needed for all 2 stroke engines,, please help any help with be great... im using the old 20hp johnson that came with the 16 foot aluminum boat i got and its just not enough to get me were i want to go fishing,, please help, thanks

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

Mix the oil 50:1. if it's a 1996 the engine may have the oil injection, was there a separate oil tank with the engine or not? It's possible to remove it, so you need to know if you still have oil injection or not.
As for the no-start issue, do you have a spark tester to see if it's getting spark? You can do the 'ole pull the plug boot off and use a screwdriver stuck in the boot", but it's gonna shock you and not feel good.
There will be a fuse on the engine somewhere as well, usually on the same side as the fuel comes in (standing behind motor it's probably on your left), it's a little red plug I believe.
I don't know the answer about the kill switch, so someone wiith more knowledge will need to answer that one.

 

[DEDINWATR]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

we did use a spark plug tester, and we got nothing........

 

[HybridMX6]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

Ok. If you do a search on the forum you will find how to disable the emergency kill switch. I just don't know how off the top of my head, never had to do it.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

if electric start, unplug the big red plug. now jump form the positive incoming post on the starter solenoid, to the small post next to it, this will activate the starter, you should have spark. if you do, your problem is in the control or the wiring harness. if you don't, you need to do more trouble shooting, power pack, stator, pickup sender. it is very unusual, to loose both coils at the same time.

 

[DEDINWATR]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

if electric start, unplug the big red plug. now jump form the positive incoming post on the starter solenoid, to the small post next to it, this will activate the starter, you should have spark. if you do, your problem is in the control or the wiring harness. if you don't, you need to do more trouble shooting, power pack, stator, pickup sender. it is very unusual, to loose both coils at the same time.

i dont have any controls for this motor, the wiring harness just sits coiled in the boat, if i discoonect it, the starter will not even crank, i will be rewiring the whole harness today at work , i have all the propper replacement conectors and pins, i will let you know what happens, and by the way i do have electric start.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

re read my post, you disconnect the red plug, this takes the wiring harness and ignition switch out of the circuit. with battery cable connected, you jump the solenoid. some solenoids are wired backwards, but you jump from the Big Positive Post that comes from the battery, to one of the small post on the starter solenoid. the starter will turn the motor, if not you have either bad battery, battery cables, connections, solenoid, starter. the idea of this is to that the accessories out of the equation, and concentrate on the motor. you may be 100% wasting you time rewiring, if you have a problem witht he motor. 1st things 1st.

you admit you are new to this. ask for help. you get help, that has, probably, more experience than your age, and you don't not take it. go ahead and waste your time, and $$$$.

 

[DEDINWATR]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

sorry, ill try what you suggested first.

 

[DEDINWATR]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

ok, i got home and was going to do what you guys suggested, im not sure i did it right, but i i connected the positive post coming from the battery to the starter post A and B on the picture, and got it to crank the motor, but still no spark.. did i do it right, if so, what should i check next, is there a detailed precedure with pictures, cuz i can do the OHM and voltage test, i just dont know what the parts look like,,,,,,

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

red is where the positive battery cable connects. yellow is negative battery cable ground the motor. to start the motor you jump from the large red to the small green post. with the red plug unpluged there is no off circuit, so you should have spark.

here are some test http://www.boatpartstore.com/page32.asp

i also suggest buying on of these, that attach to the red and green post. this lets you turn the motor over easily while testing. any autoparts store has them.
http://www.carparts.com/REMOTE-STARTER-SWITCH/GP_2001429_N__10618.car

 

[DEDINWATR]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

well, when i disconnect the red cable and jump it to the green arrow pin, then i get nothing but the solenoid clicking, but then i have the red plug connected and jumped to the green arrow pin then starter turns but i still get no spark, should i starts checking other components like the link you sent?

 

[DEDINWATR]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

i am getting really frustrated with this motor, im not getting any readings, am i doing it all wrong, ive never had this much troubleshooting a snowmobile engine, here is what im doing so far

per tashasdaddy
disconnect the red plug, this takes the wiring harness and ignition switch out of the circuit. with battery cable connected, you jump the solenoid. some solenoids are wired backwards, but you jump from the Big Positive Post that comes from the battery, to one of the small post on the starter solenoid. the starter will turn the motor, BUT STILL GOT NO SPARK.

then i went to http://www.boatpartstore.com/page32.asp
to do the tests.
1 Disconnect the black yellow kill wire and retest. If the engines now has fire, the kill circuit has a fault-possibly the keyswitch, harness or shift switch.
2 Check the stator resistance. You should read approximately 500 ohms from the brown wire to engine ground. (See DVA Charts). IM NOT GETTING ANYTHING, AM I DOING IT WRONG, SHOULD I BE CRANKING THE MOTOR OVER FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE TESTS? See pictures attached
3 Check the DVA output from the stator. You should have a reading of at least 150V or more from the brown wire to brown/yellow (while connected to the pack).
4 Check the timer bases resistance from the black/white wire to the white/black wire. Reading should be 10-20 ohms or 38-42 ohms.
5 Check the DVA output from the timer base. A reading of at least 0.5V or more from the black/white wire to the white/black (while connected to the pack) is needed to fire the pack.



DOES ANYONE SEE WHAT IM DOING WRONG????? i dont have a key ignition, just puch button, does that make a difference, i got a repair manual, but even that sounds complicated,,, PLEASE HELP....

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

the motor has to turn +- 300 rpms to generate the spark. is it turning that fast. pull the plugs out and test it.

 

[DEDINWATR]

Re: New To Boats, Please Help On Evinrude 1996 40 Hp E40teleds NO SPARK

well thanks to everybody who helped me on this issue, the crank speed was just fine, i happen to stubble onto a guy at work that had the exact same problem and he told me he go a new CD power pack, so i bit the bullet and went out to the local outboard salvage yard and bought myself a used one for 80 buck, installed and motor started right up, im going fishing this weekend, thanks again to everybody, i hope this thread will help someone else in the future,,,,, thanks again