454 Water in Oil both engines

454 Water in Oil both engines

  • Repairable in Water

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Must be removed from water

    Votes: 2 100.0%

  • Total voters
    2

IceDude

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1990 Baja with twin 454 Magnums 650 hours, has run well until now. Fresh water cooling. I have always done my own winterization including two plugs in each exhaust manifold, two in each block and both hoses removed off the inlet water pump to drain the pump and exchanger. This past year I did reinstall all plugs and hoses after draining (used to leave them out until spring in the past). I also failed to lower the outdrives (used to always store them in the down position or remove the entire outdrive). I am in upstate NY where it gets very cold during the winter. Everything started up fine running off ears and first trip out on the lake seemed to have gone fine. Several weeks later, motors ran rough and didnt want to idle unless the throttle was bumped up a bit. Once out to the open water realized things not going well. One motor would not rev past 3000 and the other seemed slow to rev. Looked into motor compartment and saw extensive oil-water emulsion coming out of the top of one of the motors. Shut it down and idled back on the other motor. Checked and found both motors have lots of water in the crankcases. I believe all water was effectively removed for winterization. I do not re-fill with antifreeze after draining. Will be pulling plugs and cranking to try and detremine if water is getting into combustion chamber. Ideas? Thanks.
 

Fun Times

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

What is the oil level like on the dip stick, The oil coolers could be cracked.
 

Don S

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

Why the poll? The most votes doesn't mean something is right or wrong, or good idea or bad idea, or repairable or not repairable in the water.
Without knowing what the problem is, all votes are just a bunch of WAG's and absolutely worthless. Especially if the person voting has no clues about engines.
 

mkast

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

He's asking the studio audience.
 

IceDude

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

Crankcase level: One engine was actually pushing out the oil/water emulsion out somewhere around the top of the engine near the carb. The other engine is substantially filled with water but not overfilled.

The primary reason for the poll was my mistake in entering the thread and once I screwed up, the easiest recovery was to complete the poll field. So I figured I could use it to see the concensus on whether I can make some repairs while docked as pulling it out will require running one of the motors which I want to avoid or minimize.

I am planning to pull the plugs to see if it wet in the combustion chamber and perhaps one of the exchangers this weekend. It seems like a lot of water if it was a cracked exchanger.
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

I do not re-fill with antifreeze after draining. Will be pulling plugs and cranking to try and detremine if water is getting into combustion chamber. Ideas? Thanks.
I am a little confused as to what you actually have.

What exactly do you mean by "Fresh Water Cooling"?

If you mean open cooling (AKA raw water cooling) I.E lake water flows thru the blocks and manifolds, then I would say that you didn't ensure all the water was drained from the blocks and they're cracked.

454's like to crack on the inside right above the lifters.


If you mean Closed cooling (AKA "Fresh Water Cooling", Then why did you drain the blocks and manifolds (full sys).....they were full of anti-freeze.


Could you be a little more specific?


Regards,


Rick
 

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

Ayuh,....

And as for the Poll question,...
If the motor has to come out,.. The Outdrive Has to come Off 1st....
Kinda hard to pull off that trick in a Slip....

Where abouts in Upstate,..?? I'm up here about as far as you can Get,+ still be stuck in NY....
 

IceDude

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

Here is the latest...

Upon inspecting the exterior of the block and freeze plugs, I can see no evidense of freezing. I am thinking if there was enough water left in the block to freeze and break, then the freeze plugs would show some deformation?

How else can a ton of water get into the crankcase? I have seen some references to exhaust manifold issues that could dump in water? I guess the possibility of both intake gaskets failing? If I froze the heat exchanger (for the oil and ps fluid) then that would leak out and not into the oil, right? I cannot figure anything related to leaving the outdrives in the up position causing the problem - right?

BTW, I called the cooling "fresh water" meaning the water comes directly from the lake.
 

Zackman

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

How about a little more detail concerning how long you have run the engines since recommissioning this season?

Those engine have oil coolers if I remember correctly, which may explain the water in the crankcase, if you're lucky. Otherwise you may be looking at cracked blocks, which actually makes more sense since both are experience the same problem.​
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

Upon inspecting the exterior of the block and freeze plugs

Ok,


Well they are not "Freeze" plugs. They're called "Core" plugs. They're for holes left in the block during the casting process to facilitate removal of the casting sand.

Although they do sometimes pop out when water left in the block freezes, they do not provide any protection against freeze damage and they don't have anything to do with freeze protection.

The last engine I replaced for Freeze damage did not have any "Freeze plugs" popped out.....

Freezing a heat exchanger usually only allows oil into the water since there's FAR more oil pressure than water pressure.

Now I suppose it could be possible to have water seep into the oil system if the heat exchanger was below the water line and the engine was off for a long period of time.....(you'd be pretty lucky for that to happen assuming it did no other damage)

You should probably pressure up the blocks and see if you get leaks.

You may have to remove the intake manifolds to see in the "valley" for possible cracks.
 

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Re: 454 Water in Oil both engines

Ok,


Well they are not "Freeze" plugs. They're called "Core" plugs. They're for holes left in the block during the casting process to facilitate removal of the casting sand.

Although they do sometimes pop out when water left in the block freezes, they do not provide any protection against freeze damage and they don't have anything to do with freeze protection.

The last engine I replaced for Freeze damage did not have any "Freeze plugs" popped out.....

Freezing a heat exchanger usually only allows oil into the water since there's FAR more oil pressure than water pressure.

Now I suppose it could be possible to have water seep into the oil system if the heat exchanger was below the water line and the engine was off for a long period of time.....(you'd be pretty lucky for that to happen assuming it did no other damage)

You should probably pressure up the blocks and see if you get leaks.

You may have to remove the intake manifolds to see in the "valley" for possible cracks.
That is the most commen problem for big blocks from what I have read.:(
 
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