Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

Mark42

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Started removing the carpet from the '85 1600 Capri and found what looked like a dent in the plywood deck from a hammer. Looked just like a strong impact with depression. After removing the rest of the carpet I pried at the dent with a screwdriver to find out how much, if any, water got in the ply from the break in the gel coat. Turns out it was a factory plug for a hole that was clear through the plywood! Holy Cow! I have been all through this Bayliner, cutting out the deck for modification and things, and this is the first half assed patch I found. Rather ticked me off. But I have to admit, it held up for 25 years!

Pic shows the plywood deck with no carpet, and a layer of grey sand/dirt. The little holes are where I took a drill and probed for water and the wood shavings are on the deck. The plug I'm holding came from the hole. Its the same orange resin found in other parts of the boat, so I know its OEM.

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The hole is dark because I was probing it with my fingers and got the grey dirt down there. But the good news is the test holes around it show dry plywood and foam. Using a screw driver, I pried out foam from the hole, and just about 1/2" into the foam its dry.

I'm taking no chances. Next thing I will cut out a 6x6" piece of the deck and patch in a new one. Tried to use my big circular saw to do a plunge cut but its too big to get in there. I've been wanting a dremmel rotary tool, so this is a good excuse to go get one. Should be able to cut the 5/8" ply fairly easy with a dremmel.

That small depression didn't even show through the carpet. It must have reciently cracked the gel and started letting water in, otherwise it would be really wet in there.

The good news is that everything else is checking out great. No other breaks in the gel and the rear most 18" or so are heavy mat with gel on top right up to the transom. So that part is dry and solid.

So it pays to check under the carpet every now and again. Sure am glad I decided to pull this carpet.
 

Lou C

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

Looks like it could have been one of the holes drilled to inject the floatation foam...I found a number of them on my 88 FW when I re-did the deck in it...lucky you found no rot...I got rid of the carpet when I did the rebuild...had the new deck gelcoated in non-skid gelcoat and left the carpet on the sides of the gunnels to save having to gelcoat the whole interior...looks fine that way...
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

I hadn't thought about injecting the foam. You are probably right, especially seeing as it was a nice round hole. I should check for the same on the other side of the boat and see if it needs re-sealing.
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

Sea Ray did the same thing for at least the 80s-90s. They even used a glue to plug the hole that shrank with time, providing a nice even distribution of water into the under-deck foam from all the evenly spaced holes for foam injection.

It's almost as if they didn't expect the boat to last long enough for the lousy glue in those plugs to be a problem...... ;)

Erik
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

Looks like it could have been one of the holes drilled to inject the floatation foam...I found a number of them on my 88 FW when I re-did the deck in it...lucky you found no rot...I got rid of the carpet when I did the rebuild...had the new deck gelcoated in non-skid gelcoat and left the carpet on the sides of the gunnels to save having to gelcoat the whole interior...looks fine that way...

WOW That's a purdy boat. Nice job lou.
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

thanks I started with this:
Now I've got to restore the oxidized red gelcoat below the rubrail....
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

The hole I found was on the starboard side. I found a spot on the port side in the same general area that has a "lump" of mat on it. So I guess they didn't mat over the one hole well and it cracked through.

I doubt these boat builder expected their boats to still be in service 20 some years later.
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

It is pretty amazing when you think of it...none of us likely drives cars that old...but we will keep our boats going a lot longer...maybe it's just easier for backyard mechanics to fix the old tech boats than the new tech vehicles/boats and we also would rather not pay new boat prices for something you can only use half of the year in much of the country....

I have looked at newer boats and like newer vehicles....they look great but when you look closely...there is a lot of gimmicky styling...wasted space...and more difficulty access for repairs...I like the wide open engine compartment of my old FW....I just move the rear seats foward and I can get at just about everything on the engine...the newer ones have all molded in fiberglass on the sides and it's tough to get at stuff...
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

I have looked at newer boats and like newer vehicles....they look great but when you look closely...there is a lot of gimmicky styling...wasted space...and more difficulty access for repairs..

New boat designs are a joke to my taste, bubble shaped fwd decks you wouldn't dare to walk on. 3 feet of lost transom space due to styling.
They don't appear to be designed with boaters in mind, more like wet sportscar drivers. They're definately consumables and will become disposeable.
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

Yep,

I discovered them all over my Bayliner upon removing carpet... Foam fill holes for sure..
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

Got an idea for fixing the deck where the hole is. Rather than cut out the ply and fit in a new piece, I thought that it might be a good idea to put in an inspection plate. Sea Dog makes a nice screw in water tight inspection plate that sits flush to the deck.

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This 4 " screw in deck plate will make a nice access point to check for water in the foam. Thought I would be good to remove all the foam under the plate right down to the hull, so any water will be easy to see.
 

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Re: Pulled the carpet and look what I found....

mark
I got a rotary tool I can lend you, and Im interested in learning about your floor job, mine is soft in the middle, and its time to decide if I want to fix or dump the boat, I can it run out just about any time if your interested, send me a email.
walter.
 
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