do you (b word) at work about issues?

yourkiddin

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I consider myself to be a good employee and have good work ethics. i am a shift leader at a leader in the textile industry. worked here for 13 years,probably 4 of us still around that has not moved on. problem is in my opinion that 85% of our department is just sorry. have to always make decisions for others and track folks down to get them back on job. also have to move folks around alot when people dont show up. then i get the attitudes i have to deal with. there is so much turnover in our management,probably do to stress. just when you think you got a manager that will back you up and discipline them he quits. but talking to department manager about mechanical and people issues have become a every day deal. so were i always thought i could help make a difference by pointing out my concerns,i am just feeling like nothing is going to ever change and maybe im just labeled as a bitcher. i have a lady in the back of our department that expresses her concerns to me everytime i come in contact with her. and her concerns or bitching is legit. she does her job above and beyond but in the end gets screwed because she does her job plus whatever the others from previous shifts didn't. but within the last few days, i overheard managers talking about how much she bitches. so what do you do, just let things be as they are and be quite?
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: do you (b word) at work about issues?

put it in writing. official complaint. especially if it is a safety issue.
 

4JawChuck

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Re: do you (b word) at work about issues?

I recently left a job I put my heart and soul into for 9 years because management had changed and the new manager was an absolute nutjob. The clinical term I found out was "office terrorist" for this kind of person. The staff were unionized and so pessimistic it was stifling, not to mention my office co-worker was a consumate lying lazy *****kisser who manipulated things with the new boss so he could get his way. I negoitiated a healthy buyout package when I left because the new boss had "constructively dismissed" me, I had to learn the legal language to realize what was happening around me and take action to retain my dignity.

I payed off all my bills and bought a new house and some toys and spent 3 months to take stock of my life and find a new job. I still occassionally have nightmares over that place and wonder what I could have done differently to change the outcome, I have come to the conclusion and have had to accept that it wasn't my fault...there are however some things I learned. Mostly what I learned is that there are things you can change and those you cannot, if those things you can't change are affecting your life in a negative way its time to move on...life is too short. Conversely if you can't change it, forget about it.

My new job has some of the same issues but they are remote from me and I work from home, I perform my job and get results...at the same time I review the performance of others to ensure I am not being taken advantage of. Many exceptional people get taken advantage of to the point where they are driven out of a job because they can't say no and either have a nervous breakdown or take it home with them and their family suffers.

Today if I am asked to perform outside my job expectations I seriously weighs the consequences of my decision, will I get rewarded? Will my co-workers retaliate for my extra work? Will the company use me to their own end and use me as a scapegoat for going beyond the call of duty? Mainly what I have learned to say is "NO!" That was the hardest part for me to learn as a person who tries their best to accomodate everyones expectations but thats reality.

So to answer your question, stop bitchin and just say no. If the lady that does not get recognized for her extra work can't say no, thats her problem. Management will have to figure out a way to accomplish the extra work without constantly relying on their best employees to go above and beyond the call of duty. In todays corporate world it is best to just keep your mouth shut and do your job, trying to change it will only get you singled out and persecuted while they adopt your idea as their own and claim ownership while you reap the consequences of stepping out of line.

Some may call that pessimism, I call it realism...been around long enough to see what happens at too many companies to know otherwise. Just remember its their problem not yours, failure to solve their problems does not make you a bad employee...just one doing his job without bitchin about it.

Another piece of advice, those people you talk to at work that you think are your friends when you talk "off the record" are just people you know not "friends"...there is no such thing at work and I would be very careful about what you say to any of them. I have run into too many backstabbers to trust any work "friend" with anything that runs through my mind. Consider everything you say to be "on the record" as it will be passed on as such. I have seen many people get screwed over by their employer because they confided in someone at work even regarding personal issues that were no body's business but their own. Don't be a sucker, look out for yourself and don't fall into the traps set out for you. None of those folks who employ you are looking out for your well being and neither are those below you, harden up and buck up...thats life.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but I would hate for you to continue to be disillussioned like I was for many years. No job is worth one minute of your sorrow, there are many fish in the sea and just like marriage it is not worth staying in an unhealthy relationship. I think the fact that you have such a high turnover at your current employment is a sign of the problem, before I left my last job the best and brightest in our department all left before I did...that should have been a clue to me but I didn't get the hint and kept on trying. It was a waste of my time and in the end didn't accomplish a thing.

The fact that your posting this here tells me your trying to figure it out for yourself and need help, sit down with your wife and write up the positives and negatives about your current job and see which list is longer. Then look at those negatives and see how you could change your behaviour so they are no longer your problem and take action, you may need to act slowly on these at work to avoid being singled out...be careful. The hardest part is when the lists are the same length and you can't change anything in the "bad" list.

Just remember there is no perfect job even if you work for yourself.

Good luck.;)
 

madgadget

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Re: do you (b word) at work about issues?

Excellent post that. Couldn't agree more.
 

Shizzy

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I recently left a job I put my heart and soul into for 9 years because management had changed and the new manager was an absolute nutjob. The clinical term I found out was "office terrorist" for this kind of person. The staff were unionized and so pessimistic it was stifling, not to mention my office co-worker was a consumate lying lazy *****kisser who manipulated things with the new boss so he could get his way. I negoitiated a healthy buyout package when I left because the new boss had "constructively dismissed" me, I had to learn the legal language to realize what was happening around me and take action to retain my dignity.

I payed off all my bills and bought a new house and some toys and spent 3 months to take stock of my life and find a new job. I still occassionally have nightmares over that place and wonder what I could have done differently to change the outcome, I have come to the conclusion and have had to accept that it wasn't my fault...there are however some things I learned. Mostly what I learned is that there are things you can change and those you cannot, if those things you can't change are affecting your life in a negative way its time to move on...life is too short. Conversely if you can't change it, forget about it.

My new job has some of the same issues but they are remote from me and I work from home, I perform my job and get results...at the same time I review the performance of others to ensure I am not being taken advantage of. Many exceptional people get taken advantage of to the point where they are driven out of a job because they can't say no and either have a nervous breakdown or take it home with them and their family suffers.

Today if I am asked to perform outside my job expectations I seriously weighs the consequences of my decision, will I get rewarded? Will my co-workers retaliate for my extra work? Will the company use me to their own end and use me as a scapegoat for going beyond the call of duty? Mainly what I have learned to say is "NO!" That was the hardest part for me to learn as a person who tries their best to accomodate everyones expectations but thats reality.

So to answer your question, stop bitchin and just say no. If the lady that does not get recognized for her extra work can't say no, thats her problem. Management will have to figure out a way to accomplish the extra work without constantly relying on their best employees to go above and beyond the call of duty. In todays corporate world it is best to just keep your mouth shut and do your job, trying to change it will only get you singled out and persecuted while they adopt your idea as their own and claim ownership while you reap the consequences of stepping out of line.

Some may call that pessimism, I call it realism...been around long enough to see what happens at too many companies to know otherwise. Just remember its their problem not yours, failure to solve their problems does not make you a bad employee...just one doing his job without bitchin about it.

Another piece of advice, those people you talk to at work that you think are your friends when you talk "off the record" are just people you know not "friends"...there is no such thing at work and I would be very careful about what you say to any of them. I have run into too many backstabbers to trust any work "friend" with anything that runs through my mind. Consider everything you say to be "on the record" as it will be passed on as such. I have seen many people get screwed over by their employer because they confided in someone at work even regarding personal issues that were no body's business but their own. Don't be a sucker, look out for yourself and don't fall into the traps set out for you. None of those folks who employ you are looking out for your well being and neither are those below you, harden up and buck up...thats life.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but I would hate for you to continue to be disillussioned like I was for many years. No job is worth one minute of your sorrow, there are many fish in the sea and just like marriage it is not worth staying in an unhealthy relationship. I think the fact that you have such a high turnover at your current employment is a sign of the problem, before I left my last job the best and brightest in our department all left before I did...that should have been a clue to me but I didn't get the hint and kept on trying. It was a waste of my time and in the end didn't accomplish a thing.

The fact that your posting this here tells me your trying to figure it out for yourself and need help, sit down with your wife and write up the positives and negatives about your current job and see which list is longer. Then look at those negatives and see how you could change your behaviour so they are no longer your problem and take action, you may need to act slowly on these at work to avoid being singled out...be careful. The hardest part is when the lists are the same length and you can't change anything in the "bad" list.

Just remember there is no perfect job even if you work for yourself.

Good luck.;)
you took the words right out of my mouth. I have been doing the lower end management thing for years now. I have found that everyone and everyplace is the same. I dont talk about anything work gossip related no matter who I am talking to. I dont feed the rumor mill. In fact, I just play dumb. my 2 most common phrases are
"even if I knew I probably wouldnt tell you since its not your business"
and
"why dont you call them and ask them why they got fired?"
 

yourkiddin

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Re: do you (b word) at work about issues?

you guys are exactly right. it seems the better employees get the shaft,i guess its expected of us. the loosers get away with murder,are not stressed out and their paycheck keeps coming.
 

gonefishie

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Couldn't have said it better myself Chuck. It sounds unethical or whatever but realism rules these days. It is what you make it. You try to do your best without doing someone else job, get a paycheck and go home. I was asked yesterday what I would change to make my job better. My answer was nothing unless you can turn my office into a bass boat and this building into Lake Fork and I get paid to fish. I didn't tell them what I really wanted to say because I knew that my issues/recommendations would just go in one ear and out the other. What they would remember is that I'm a sore spot. What motivates me to come back everyday? I said to get a paycheck. But you can get a paycheck somewhere else too? I said because this is what I do best and it pays good. I didn't lie like everyone else and put some sort of emotional connection to my job because it's all bull sheets. If you become attached to your job it will consume you. My ex gets mad because everytime she asked me about how my day went all I said was fine, even when it wasn't. Just go with the flow, you will be happier.
 

lowkee

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When management turns a blind eye to the inner workings of their underlings, I found the only things which make changes at work are:

- Mass Exodus: Management looks weak when employees are ditching left and right, so exoduses give the remaining employees more negotiating power, power which can include changes in the way things are done.

- Sabotage: Sabotage makes management look incompetent, so they will be more open to new ideas when it all goes pear shaped. Besides those two things, I have never seen change happen short of a company acquisition.

Even 'replacement' management, the kind which follows the "We're going to shake things up" type speeches, has always been the same mentality, because that mentality is apparently what the upper management was looking for in interviews. In my experience, the people who become management (get promoted) are the ones who did the least amount of work, but firing them would make the current management look bad for whatever reason. So why not promote them so the blame of failed projects can be shifted to them when things go wrong? After all, it is a win-win proposition for the manager, as maybe the person will excel at management, but even if they don't, at least you didn't lose anyone special. Nothing worse than promoting your best producer and having to struggle to replace that production using less reliable people.

In my experience, bringing a poor performing coworker or even an 'office terrorist' to the notice of management is pointless, as everyone knows who these people are. They are likely not getting fired of disciplined because of some other reason which trumps their horrible work ethic. Those reasons can vary widely.

If you look at all of this from a management point of view, you see a manager who is thinking:

- My boss is happy we're making a profit
- The work gets done
- Firing people is messy
- Hiring people is a pain
- Change is risk
- Even with all of the complaints I get, all of the above remains true.

Is this a jaded view? Not in my opinion. I have witnessed this in multiple companies and even in departments I don't work in, where there was no 'emotional connection' to bias my views. Reality isn't always pretty.
 

puddle jumper

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Re: do you (b word) at work about issues?

I consider myself to be a good employee and have good work ethics. i am a shift leader at a leader in the textile industry. worked here for 13 years,probably 4 of us still around that has not moved on. problem is in my opinion that 85% of our department is just sorry. have to always make decisions for others and track folks down to get them back on job. also have to move folks around alot when people dont show up. then i get the attitudes i have to deal with. there is so much turnover in our management,probably do to stress. just when you think you got a manager that will back you up and discipline them he quits. but talking to department manager about mechanical and people issues have become a every day deal. so were i always thought i could help make a difference by pointing out my concerns,i am just feeling like nothing is going to ever change and maybe im just labeled as a bitcher. i have a lady in the back of our department that expresses her concerns to me everytime i come in contact with her. and her concerns or bitching is legit. she does her job above and beyond but in the end gets screwed because she does her job plus whatever the others from previous shifts didn't. but within the last few days, i overheard managers talking about how much she bitches. so what do you do, just let things be as they are and be quite?

Like others have said there are no friends in the work place.

I think people who go out of there way to make things work smoothly should be rewarded some how. I see the same thing at our work all the time. There seems to be about 3rd of the people who apply them selves and the rest just barely do enough to get bye.

This lady is telling you about her concerns because she thinks she is making a difference and probably getting sick of getting stuck making up the slack of others. People who are willing to go above and beyond are hard to find. Slackers are a dime a dozen.

Now saying this I don't know your situation as I have not walked a mile in your shoes.

If I am understanding what your saying I would stand up for her.
 

Pierutrus

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Re: do you (b word) at work about issues?

Well put, 4JawChuck.
To bad I'm still stuck.
Working on it!:D
 

Les Robb

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Re: do you (b word) at work about issues?

Well thought out post Chuck, unfortunately most people right now can ill afford to quit a job right now. As soon as my son graduates from college I will retire before the sun sets.

For now we make do as we always have.
 

jonesg

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you guys are exactly right. it seems the better employees get the shaft,i guess its expected of us. the loosers get away with murder,are not stressed out and their paycheck keeps coming.

It "seems" a lot of things, but it ain't always true .
In fact I'd say its untrue more often.
 
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