Who Will Protect the Babies?

jay_merrill

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I don't often comment on local news, but this one bears discussion.

On Saturday, in an area about an hour west of me, two sisters decided to pack themselves and 13 children (yes, I said 13) in a GMC Safari minivan and take a trip to Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The purpose of the trip, was to finish packing a residence, so that the driver of the minivan could move back to the New Orleans area.

I happen to have a Chevy Astrovan, which is identical to the Safari, so I'm familiar with the vehicle involved. The cars have a pair of chair type seats in the front and a pair of bench seats in the middle and rear positions. There are eight seatbelts in them - two shoulder/lap type in the front and a pair of shoulder/lap with one lap only belt, in the middle of the two bench seats.

While driving on Interstate 10 in a place called Acension Parish, the left front tire of the van blew and the driver lost control, striking a large truck at then flipping about 3 times. The children, who ranged in age from infancy to 14 years, all were ejected from the vehicle. Not one of them had a seat belt on, while the two adult women in the front seats did. The only car seat in the van, was lying in the cargo area, at the rear of the vehicle.

The driver died at the scene of the accident, as did four of the kids. Seven of the remaining children are in critical condition, in the hospital. The sister and the two other kids are in stable condition. It remains to be seen whether or not there will be further fatalities.

While this sort of situation is fortunately not common in terms of accidents, I see people driving cars that are overloaded, with unrestrained kids, quite often. I also see normal passenger loads, with unrestrained kids, on basically a daily basis. I used to mind my own business, but these days, this stuff makes me mad and I call the cops.

Is it me, or has today's generation of "parents" just become incredibly lazy and complacent? Sometimes I just want to smack them for being such morons. The cliche statement about having to get a license to have sex, is beginning to look like a good idea!



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Mike Robinson

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Here in British Columbia we are required to use a childseat for children under 9 years or under 145 cm (4' 9"). I would hope people abide by these rules but I don't know if most do.

What are the laws concerning child seats in La?

A friend lost his 10 y.o. son and his grandmother to a traffic accident a couple of weeks ago. (He was not the driver) I can't imagine the grief my friend is going through. I pray I never have to go through that.
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

I think people have an "It won't happen to us" attitude.
Sad thing is you can never predict what is going to happen so precautions must be taken.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

some have just never gained any common sense. i see church vans, overloaded quite often. they take they extended van, fill seats with adults, and then kids in the adults laps.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Vehicles loaded with children all of which have no safety restraints... Where have I seen that before?

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

It's funny you should mention this now. We just had someone up here who did the same stupid thing. Apparently this world class winner of the "Mother-of-the-year" award was driving on a revoked license with her 3 kids and her sister when they hit some traffic at a red light. She was several cars back and didn't want to wait, so she pulled into the oncoming lane and basically tried to run the light. Too bad there was an SUV coming in the perpendicular direction which T-Boned her car.

Result: 9 and 11 yr old dead, 10yr old in critical condition (not expected to make it) and the adults had minor injuries. Nice, no?
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

I drive a Brinks truck, in Peoria mostly, all day long. I see plenty instances of unrestrained children. I am not allowed to say who I see doing it, but out of all the unrestrained children I have seen, 90% fall into a certain demographic. I am not sure why that is, cause I thought everyone in Illinois got the same access to driver's ed training?

One interesting side note, the only "enemy combatant" arrested/jailed/convicted/sentenced in the United States after 9-11 was arrested in Peoria, IL. The thing that lead to his arrest? A traffic cop in Peoria pulled him over for having an unrestrained 5 year old child standing on the backseat looking back at the cop.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Thoughts and prayers to the family, but as it has been said before, You can't fix stupid. Now children have paid the price.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Just a couple of comments to follow up on issues offered ...

In Louisiana, not only are child seats required, but we also passed a law recently that requires all occupants of a vehicle to be restrained. That means folks in the back seats too. In most places, only the front passengers must be belted.

As for school buses, this issue has been discussed for decades. The usual argument presented by the lobbyists, school districts, etc., is that "buses are safe" and putting seat belts in them would "cost too much." There are some states that require them, though. New York state passed a school bus seatbelt law in 1987 and New Jersey did it in 1992. Florida requires them now, as do a few other states.

On the church bus issue, TD is right - that scenario happens a lot. What makes it even worse than an overload situation in a minivam, however, is that the "E350 type" vans have a body extension behind the rear axle. When the vans are overloaded and there is a large weight increase behind the axle, the front end "gets light" and the vehicles become hard to control. There have been numerous accidents with these vans, which resulted directly from such center of gravity issues.



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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Update: A fifth child died at noon today, while still in the hospital. She was 12.



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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Back when seatbelts were not mandated, more people died in cars crashes and the dollar was worth over 50% more than today. Connection?

Sad about the kids, but given the parent the children had no chance at becoming decent, intelligent people anyhow. I'm all for letting people endanger themselves. Population control has to happen somehow, you can't ban abortion, birth control AND stupidity and expect the population to regulate itself.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

...What makes it even worse than an overload situation in a minivam, however, is that the "E350 type" vans have a body extension behind the rear axle. When the vans are overloaded and there is a large weight increase behind the axle, the front end "gets light" and the vehicles become hard to control. There have been numerous accidents with these vans, which resulted directly from such center of gravity issues.

Excellent info, but I want to provide one clarification:

This is true on E350 and Dodge Ram Van 350, but not on Chevrolet and GMC 3500 extended vans. They have a 135in wheelbase and no rear body extension, unlike the Ford and Dodge's approx 125in wheelbase and extensions.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Didn't know that, TW, but now that you mention it, it seems right on the money. GM came out with an entirely new body style some years ago and I don't think I've noticed one of their vans with a long over hang, ever since.



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TilliamWe

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Actually, even their older Vans were that way, since at least 1987.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Excellent info, but I want to provide one clarification:

This is true on E350 and Dodge Ram Van 350, but not on Chevrolet and GMC 3500 extended vans. They have a 135in wheelbase and no rear body extension, unlike the Ford and Dodge's approx 125in wheelbase and extensions.

I wanted to correct my post above, since I wasn't thinking when I typed it!

What I meant to say is that 125" wb is the short full sized van, 135" wb is the regular size, and just about what 90% of the vans you see have.
GM is the only one to offer their extended van with a 155" wb, with no added-on rear body extension. They add 20" to the wheelbase and have a longer one piece van side panel.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

You can pass all the laws you want, unfortunately, some people will still ignore them.



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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Seems kind of ironic given the subject of your signature, Darren, but the ?there? in your signature should be ?their? ??. :)
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

I think we have actually improved a great deal. At least three quarters of the population wear seatbelts now (I hate that laws that intrude on personal freedoms had to be passed for that to happen - even a nascar driver has enough sense to fasten a seatbelt) and you very rarely see 15 kids in the bed of a pickup on the interstate.
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Seems kind of ironic given the subject of your signature, Darren, but the ?there? in your signature should be ?their? ??. :)

opps....my bad;)
 

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Re: Who Will Protect the Babies?

Since the thread has been renewed, I'll update it.

The driver and the kids who died, were buried last Saturday. I haven't heard anything about the rest, so I guess they are in varying stages of recovery, in the hospital. All were apparently serious to critical at one time, so I think the physical recovery process will be long.

Unfortunately, the emotion recovery process will be even longer and will never be fully realized.



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