Drill Bits

ken52

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Looking for some recomendations on good drill bits. I'm drilling out some bolt studs (softer stainless) and looking for a good bit to cut the metal without wearing down the tip. My regular bits I have just don't seem strong/hard enough. I'm looking for bit sizes around 3/32 and a little larger. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
 

Bob_VT

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Cobalt bits. They will eat right through the stainless or carbide tipped.
 

triumphrick

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I agree with Bob..also look for what is called "split tip" drills. I believe they have a 135 degree cut on the tip and won't need sharpening as often. Grainger, Hughes supply, and other large jobbers will carry them. The better ones are hard to find at Low and HD....
 

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Ayuh,... Or solid Carbide twist drill bits,...
They're super Sharp,+ Stay that way,...
But,..
They're abit fragile to Snapping...

I use 'em for drilling Truck Frames, to get the hole big enough to swtich to a tapered Ream...
 

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One caution, if you do need to sharpen the bit wear a dust mask and a long sleeved shirt. Colbalt is not something you want in your lungs, or on your skin.

Can you expand on that? My neighbors lent me his Drill Dr and I'm going to run a bunch of bits through it and I've never heard of cobalt being bad for you, like lead, aluminum, galvanized metal, etc... I'm not doubting you, just curious as to what it does, or can do.
 

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Most of the "Cobalt" drills I have seen on the market are simply coated. True Cobalt drills are quite brittle and should only be used in soft materials such as Aluminum or Zinc castings etc. A true Cobalt drill will fracture on the margins if used to drill steel, its very brittle but surface drilling such as that required to remove rivets would be OK.

Having likely tried every drill on the market I recommend Cleveland Twist drills to anyone that asks, yes they are expensive...yes you may have trouble finding them except from machine shop suppliers. Another good twist drill is Chicago Latrobe, also expensive...you get what you pay for.

They are worth the money if you do a lot of drilling but may be more drill than you need for home use. They aren't magic but they hold an edge no matter how far you grind them back, most drills have soft cores and once you lose that initial edge they wear quickly if resharpened a few times.

I still have my original set of Clevelands in a complete letter/fractional/number set from 25 years ago, it cost me $180 back then including the case and each drill came individually packaged. Except for a couple of number and 1/16" drills that were broken they are all still there and have been resharpened dozens of times. I split the tips and backcut them myself on a bench grinder, it just takes some practice and a calibrated mark one eyeball to get them perfect.

I also have numerous cheapo drill sets that get used around the house for stuff that I could care less if they get broken..I seem to inherit them when the original owner wears the initial edge off them. I throw out the worn ones after a few sharpenings since they won't hold an edge after that. But if you do a lot of metalwork and need accurate sized holes invest in a good set of Chicago's or Clevelands...they might last you a lifetime once you learn to sharpen them yourself.
 

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Re: Drill Bits

Plus 1 on what 4jaw said. I have a Chicago set, passed along from my dad. He had them for a lot of years. Still fine.

Being in the trades the other twist bits I have I consider kinda disposable.
 

ken52

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Thanks for all the great suggestions. I think it's time to invest in a good set of bits. Tires of allways hunting for a good sharp bit when doing a project.
 

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One thing not mentioned yet is that stainless will work harden. When you drill it, escpecially with hand held tools, you need to plunge drill (press hard for a couple of seconds, then back completely out for a couple of seconds) and also be sure it's kept cool, with kerosene or WD40.

If you try to use a dull drill, or press lightly, it'll quickly harden to where it can't be drilled and completely destroy the drill bit.

hope it helps
john
 

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Precision Twist is another great bit manufacture. Additionally when drilling speed (RPM) kills. I'd spin a 3/32 drill no more than 400 to 600 rpm. Pushing hard enough to produce a constant chip. Letting up every 5 to 10 seconds to break the chip. And remember to keep it cool. heat will quickly destroy the best of cutters.
 

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Thanks John & Limited Time. Will keep your tips in mind while drilling these out. Without using a drill press will be kinda hard to get it that slow but will try to while hand drilling. Hoping to get in deep enough to use a ez out I have. Found some sets of bits at Grainger & Northern Tool which both are local (30 Miles). Will look up precision twist too now.

Can you guys tell me why they refer to bits as jobbers length bits or jobbers length sets?
 

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I have no idea where the name "Jobber" comes from but it's the "standard" length drill bit. It has a drilling ratio of 10 X D meaning your drill depth can be up to 10 times the diameter of drill bit your using.
 

jonesg

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don't use ez outs, they're notorious for ez snapping, then you're really in for a struggle, they are so brittle you cannot drill them.
Try a drill with a reverse twist to it.
 

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don't use ez outs, they're notorious for ez snapping, then you're really in for a struggle, they are so brittle you cannot drill them.
Try a drill with a reverse twist to it.

If you snap an easy out you can often shatter what is left with a hammer and some sort of punch.

On the subject of shattering remember that the harder the drill bit material the more brittle it will be. If you start with a really small drill bit to make a pilot hole it's pretty easy to break a carbide bit. especially when drilling by hand. If you have a stud in a steel block it wouldn't be a bad idea to use a mag base drill if possible. Of course not everyone has access to one of these. The worst job like yours I ever had was removing a stud from an aluminum head that broke off flush with the gasket surface. Never got that one out. At least it was an exhaust manifold so it didn't render the head useless.
 

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Thanks again for all the helpful input. Thanks Limited T for the jobber explaination. I will be starting out with small bits and will carefull use an ez out to see it it moves. Will use a little heat to. If it doesn't budge I may try the reversed drill bit. They did snap off at the gasket flange so until I complete this process I'm not getting any other parts until I know I can bolt the pump motor to the assembly. Will keep all advised of progress. Won't be able to get bits until sometime next week.

Arimatation thaks for the link excellent info.
 

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You can drill out easy-outs with a concrete drill, the carbide tip will go through with heavy pressure and low rpm...no lubricant. Taps are full hard tool steel (easy-outs are tempered) and can be drilled in the same manner if they are annealed first with a torch, usually easier to just break them out but an oxy/acetylene torch will anneal them easily. Just make sure you cool the tap slowly as you remove the heat, don't quench.

Old machinist trick.;)
 

ken52

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I've got a set of colbalt bits on there way. So I should be in good shape soon I hope. Gonna take my time on this don't need more work for myself.
 

kenmyfam

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I'm with Chuck. Cleveland or Dormer drill bits are great.
 
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