Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Bubba1235

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Looked at a boat recently and it did not have any sort of state registration. When I asked the owner he said it was Coast Guard Registered and didn't require a state registration or title.

Can anyone explain how this works?
 

Pez Vela

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

The USCG does not "register" vessels ... it "documents" them. USCG documented vessels are not necessarily exempt from state registration laws. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/nvdcfaq.asp#22
In your case, the "owner" was possibly evading a truthful explanation of how he came into possession of a boat for which he had no Missouri state registration. An innocent explanation could be that the boat is indeed documented, and the "owner" simply neglected to register it with the state to save a few bucks. There are, of course, more sinister possibilities.
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

It's not considered federal 'registration', but documentation.
Easiest way to tell a documented boat is the lack of state numbers on the bow. Documented boats must have their documentation # permanantly attached to the hull..
In addition, many states require documented boats to display a state useage (tax) decal.
Here's a short description:
http://www.discoverboating.com/buying/financing/documentation.aspx
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Does that make sense?

Ayuh,... Makes perfect sense,...
But, if it's staying where it is, it may need State paperwork as well...
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Opps, seems the owner is misinformed. My state (Missouri) says they require that the boat be re-titled in the state and registered (a long process with a ton of paperwork) if it is registered with the Coast Guard and they do not recognize a Coast Guard registered boat if its in the state more than 60 days.

Documenting a boat with the Coast Guard is one way to save money when purchasing a boat. You don't pay any Missouri or local sales taxes, you only pay an in-lieu watercraft tax. As an example. Buy a boat for 150K. State sales tax would be about $6337, plus any local taxes, while the in-lieu tax would be $2000.

The owner is correct. He does not need any Missouri registration numbers. He has a documented boat decal which is issued by the state, and is good for three years, just like standard watercraft registrations.

Here's a link to the Department of revenue's site, an one for Missouri statute Section 306.016 which covers Coast Guard documented boats.

http://dor.mo.gov/mvdl/motorv/watercraft/#docvessels

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C300-399/3060000016.HTM
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Commercial capability ^^^^^

With a licensed Master Captain on board she can be used for hire with more than 6 passengers. Undocumented is limited to 6 passengers with an OUPV (Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessel) Captain AKA 6 pack . . . ;)
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Ayuh,... Good point QC,... And, a documented vessel is an international cruiser,...
Being documented probably would give added value in international waters...
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Seems odd to me to document a 30 footer . . . maybe more to do with the International bit that Bondo mentions.
 

Pez Vela

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

He moved here from Florida (last fall) and brought the boat with him. He explained he did a lot of crusiing outside of US waters and it was a much better to be Coast Guard Registered/Documented/Titled. Does that make sense?

It will make even more sense when he produces his USCG documents, which I'm sure you will require him to do before any money changes hands. Seen 'em yet?
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Commercial capability ^^^^^

With a licensed Master Captain on board she can be used for hire with more than 6 passengers. Undocumented is limited to 6 passengers with an OUPV (Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessel) Captain AKA 6 pack . . . ;)


Not necessarily, Vessels are documented as either commercial,or recreational. Just looking at our renewed Certificate of Documentation that came in the mail yesterday, I see that our boat is limited to recreational use only and restricted from coastwise shipping (freight & people transportation) and commercial fishing.

Reasons for documenting include:
1. Lenders prefer it;
a) Boat can be traced not only nationally, but internationally via HIN or documentation number,
b) Debt on a documented vessel is very clearly a maritime lien giving a lender vastly superior powers in the event of a default,

2. It can be cheaper for the owners as there are no fees for annual renewal.

3. Some people do document to avoid payment of ad valorum, excise, or personal property taxes.

4. Documented vessels are legal entities (like corporations) that do not pass liabilities down to the owners. That is good for you in the event of an accident, like an oil spill, or if you want to create a trust or corporation to own the vessel. But it is also bad for you if you buy a documented vessel that has outstanding debt on it created by the previous owner. If the PO does not clear that debt, it stays with the vessel. So once you own the boat a debt holder can come to you and demand you pay the debt. His recourse is that he can seize the vessel ('arrest') by obtaining a court order that will be granted because of the maritime lien that exists.
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Good stuff ^^^^ :cool:
 

sr280da

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

Here's the thing, USCG Documentation while not a title document, provides the same function as a title. Actually it is a little better than a title because the owner has to renew the Documentation every year and confirm present address of the boat. Its really pretty easy, and can be done on line.

The other thing it is the vessel that is documented. If you buy this boat, all you have to do is send a change of ownership form to the USCG documentation center. There may be a fee for this, as well as a fee for changing the name if you wish. You may not have to go through the hassle of a MO registration.
 

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Re: Can someone explain Coast Guard Registered boats?

For ease of island hopping does make a lot of sense. - 30' is about the minimum size for documenting (as I recall, 5 registered tons is actually the minimum, which usually is in the 30' range).
 
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