More HP / Changing Pitch

300sflyer

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Re: More HP / Changing Pitch

A bit more of an update:

I have 9 hours on the engines now, and I have installed two new 17-1/4 x 25 SS props.:)

At 4000 RPM, we now at 38 MPH by GPS. Still have not gone to WOT yet, but I figure it should do about 50 MPH at close to 5000 RPM once I do.;)
 

300sflyer

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Final results:

I did a couple of short WOT runs today, and the results were good. Not quite as fast as I expected, but still quite respectable for a 31 cruiser. ;)

At WOT it ran at 43.7 MPH with the GPS, at 4700-4750 RPM. The water tank [40 gallons] was full, and the fuel tank [150 gallons] was about 2/3 full. I am pleased with the results.:D
 

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You're at the bottom end of the WOT RPM range. If you plan to take any more weight aboard, the 23s are going to be the way to go. (As I said before). I am pleasantly surprised that you can turn the 25s into the WOT RPM range at all, though.
 

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The RPM range for these magnum 357 engines is 4600-5000, so 4750 is pretty close to the middle of the range. 23" would likely put me very close to 5000. Not a bad thing, but I believe the 25" will yield better overall gas milage.:)

I'm sure if I removed the zippered front windshield of the camper top, and used the top just as a bimini, as I will likely do in warmer weather, both the speed and the RPM should go up a bit.

Also, with just 11 hours on the engines, I wonder if they have reached their maximum output HP yet? I suspect not, but I'm not sure.
 

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Believe whatever you want Mike. You should prop them to hit the 5000rpms with the typical load you will have aboard. It sure sounds like that's 23 pitch props to me. And you could always have the 23s cupped if they give you too many rpms (but they won't). Good luck to you.
 

300sflyer

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Believe whatever you want Mike. You should prop them to hit the 5000rpms with the typical load you will have aboard. It sure sounds like that's 23 pitch props to me. And you could always have the 23s cupped if they give you too many rpms (but they won't). Good luck to you.

Why do you believe it is necessary to be at the very top end of the Merc recommended WOT RPM?

http://www.mercurymarine.com/_media/pdfs/productbrochures/899883260_357MagBrvo4V_SS.pdf
 

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I like the 25s, I do not agree with propping to the high end of the range if:

a) hole shot is acceptable and,
b) the load is truly average

Almost all speed data I have seen, in almost all applications shows that propping towards the bottom end is faster.
 

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This is a cruiser QC, not a speed boat, what the heck does 1 mph faster matter? I am basing my recommendation on a few factors:
1) Propping to the high end of the WOT RPM makes the engine work easier across the whole rpm range
2) Easier working engine equals less fuel burn.
3) The boat bottom is as clean as it's going to get and the load sounds light. Those things will only change and cause more drag
4) Vortec Chevy engine are very suseptible to "tulipped" valves due to lugging the engine.
5) The motors are producing their peak power now, and as the humidity and heat levels rise this summer, they are only going to produce less power.

But as I said, do what you want. You seem enamored with turning the 25s, so do it. If/when you have to change to the 23s, please update us.
 

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This is a cruiser QC, not a speed boat, what the heck does 1 mph faster matter?
Yeah, but speed is efficiency . . . ;)
1) Propping to the high end of the WOT RPM makes the engine work easier across the whole rpm range
2) Easier working engine equals less fuel burn.
Yes sorta . . . actually it is more efficient to lower RPM, wider throttle and same speed.

3) The boat bottom is as clean as it's going to get and the load sounds light. Those things will only change and cause more drag
Agree with that, but the engines may loosen up a little too . . .

4) Vortec Chevy engine are very suseptible to "tulipped" valves due to lugging the engine.
Agree with that too, I just don't think he's that far off . . . I'd leave it, but I like a little lug ;)
 

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This is a cruiser QC, not a speed boat, what the heck does 1 mph faster matter? I am basing my recommendation on a few factors:
1) Propping to the high end of the WOT RPM makes the engine work easier across the whole rpm range
2) Easier working engine equals less fuel burn.
3) The boat bottom is as clean as it's going to get and the load sounds light. Those things will only change and cause more drag
4) Vortec Chevy engine are very suseptible to "tulipped" valves due to lugging the engine.
5) The motors are producing their peak power now, and as the humidity and heat levels rise this summer, they are only going to produce less power.

But as I said, do what you want. You seem enamored with turning the 25s, so do it. If/when you have to change to the 23s, please update us.

I can't say for sure, but I believe what QC was referring to, was not the maximum speed at WOT, but rather the maximum cruising speed. 3200 RPM is where the engines will be run most of the time, and will yield the best fuel economy. Once the secondary?s start opening up, fuel economy will suffer. Gas is approaching $5 per gallon here, and expected to go higher. I want the best fuel economy with these engines I can get.

As far as being "enamored" is concerned... that's simply not the case.... and you presume too much. I?m certainly no prop expert, but I can read. If the WOT RPMs were not within the Mercury published specifications, I would change the props again in a heartbeat. Fact is, the RPM is just about right in the middle of that range. If these engines were designed and built to run exactly at 5000 RPM at WOT as you suggest, the engine specifications would reflect that.

No disrespect, but I am going to go with Mercury's recommendations over yours, or anyone else?s for that matter. They are providing the warranty on my new engines.

Thanks to all for your comments.
 

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Re: More HP / Changing Pitch

:D Your all right...:eek: 4750 is close enough for a crusier..id let her rip for a few 10 minute bursts...Change your oil to snytheic and 4900 is just around the corner...:D

If these engines were designed and built to run exactly at 5000 RPM at WOT as you suggest, the engine specifications would reflect that

running them at that rpm range or to the top of the range will lighten the load and 3000 rpm...actually very good advice lots of stress on a boat of that size...good luck i think your dead on after break in.
 

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Re: More HP / Changing Pitch

Stumbled across this link which shows the WOT RPM to be 4400-4800, instead of 4600-5000.

Ayuh,... You're at 4750,..?? What's the problem either way, you're Still in the range...
 

300sflyer

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Ayuh,... You're at 4750,..?? What's the problem either way, you're Still in the range...

Agreed... Still it would be nice to know which one is in fact correct.

If I decide to take 8-10 people out on the boat for the day, I would want to know I'm still within the correct WOT RPM range.
 

300sflyer

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Merc tech support says 4600-5000 is the correct WOT RPM.

I now have 15 hours on the engines, and I am now hitting 4800 at WOT. [no longer than a minute or so]

Another 5 hours, and I will be changing the oil to 25W40 synthetic blend, from the factory straight 40 break-in oil.:)
 
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