Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

campbrd

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Hello I have a 2HP model 2602 Evinrude outboard that I?ve rescued from my brother in-law?s garage. Previous work had been done on the motor and others it seems were not able to get the motor operational again.

I took it on as a project and I completely disassembled the whole motor and put it back together looking for worn or broken parts. I had to replace a water impeller which I think this was what caused some of the other problems. Because the water jacket was not being cooled the piston rings got scored and these I replaced as well. I decarbonizes the piston head. The motor had plenty of spark coming from the plugs but still the engine would not fire.

I rechecked the gas tank and washed it out and cleaned out the fuel line to the carburetor and for good measure I put in an inline fuel filter I redid the carburetor with a carburetor kit and then I reset the high and low speed needles as per the manual. I seated each of them gently and I backed out the low-speed needle by 1-1/2 turns and backed out the high speed needle by ? of a turn.

I brought the motor down to the lake and fastened it to the dock, when pulling the cord on the rewind starter the first time the engine did not fire so I put on full choke and the engine would start but would subsequently begin to die and I immediately put it to half choke and the engine ran fine. However when I tried to remove half choke the engine would sputter and die.

On repeated attempts, starting on full choke would get the engine running and moving it to half choke the engine would purr nicely. I left it run on half choke to let the engine warm up and the new water impeller was doing its job fine and the engine ran fine from the standpoint that if I did not try to remove half choke I could run the engine at full power and return it to the start position and even dropping it down to slow. However touch the 1/2choke and the engine would die.

I tried increasing the high and low speed rich setting in an effort to keep the engine running without the choke. This failed and I returned to the original settings and it ran fine with half choke on. If I leaned out the mixture on the high speed needle and not touching the half choke the engine just purred. Then subsequently I removed the half choke and the engine performed fine. However when I throttled back to the start position the engine would slow down and subsequently stop.

What I would like to do is start the engine and be able to push in the choke so that the engine will continue to run without choke then this would allow me to follow the procedure for adjusting first the high speed needle then subsequently the low speed needle then repeating the procedure with the high speed to tune the engine.

Have I missing anything that should be checked or need I adjust the low and high speed needles a bit richer or leaner so that I may carry out the remaining fine adjustment? If so how would I do thst the original manuals do not provide such information

Any help would be appreciated.
 

cajuncook1

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Re: Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

Hey Campbrd,

Just rebuilt a 1972 2hp Johnson a couple months ago and was having very similar issues.

Couple of things I'm going to review.

1 Did you unscrew your vent on tank cap? No venting will cause poor fuel delivery.

2 Did you check the filter on the fuel shut-off valve inside the tank? If it is clogged or occluded with trash it will cause poor fuel delivery. If flow is poor when you disconnect the hose that may be an issue.

3 When you cleaned your carburetor did you pull all the plugs, including the core plug above the slow idle need on the top? Junk and varnish can build up in there and you have remove the plug to properly clean it out and all the holes.

4. Did your carburetor kit come with a new float? Or is your old float still good? (Test the float in a cup of fuel mix and see if floats.) Make sure the Float is flush/parallel with the casting. The core plug above the slow idle needle slot should be facing down when you are setting the float( basically the carburetor should be upside down.)

This description is in the factory service manual for the 2hp Johnson/Evinrude.

High and Low speed needle valves

- install new packing wshers in carburetor body. Istall the packing nuts but do not tighten against the packing

- install the high and low speed needles, turning carefully until they are seated lightly. Do not turn down tight as the tapers on the needles may be damaged.

- back out the low speed needle 1 1/4 turns out. (eventually I had to back out 1 1/2 for proper flow)

- back out the high speed needle 1/2 turn (eventually I had back out 1 full turn out in order to get the proper flow)

- Tighten the packing nuts against the packing until the needles can just be turned with finger pressure. The needle valves are to be adjusted after the carburetor is reinstall back on the motor.

Use the link Vic S. supplied above to finalized your carburetor settings

What caused my issue, was that I did not remove the core plug and clean it out and I did not have my high speed needle turned out enough to get enough fuel. After that I no longer needed to keep the choke half out. Runs very well now.

*** You stated that the piston had some scoring, because you felt it could have overheated because the water pump was bad. **

My concern is what is your compression in the one cylinder? Please get a compression gauge and check it out. Some places will loan the compression gauge with a deposit. Call around. If you have poor compression it will not run well. Just a thought.

link tutorial how to check your compression.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=313963&highlight=compression

Good luck my friend,

cajuncook1
 

F_R

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Re: Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

campbrd, don't be afraid to open those needles a bit more. That's what they are there for--to regulate the fuel flow, exactly like opening a faucet. Choking it increases the fuel flow too.
 

campbrd

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Re: Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

1 Did you unscrew your vent on tank cap? No venting will cause poor fuel delivery.

Yes I did unscrew the vent.

2 Did you check the filter on the fuel shut-off valve inside the tank? If it is clogged or occluded with trash it will cause poor fuel delivery. If flow is poor when you disconnect the hose that may be an issue.

This I did and I have a see through filter outside the tank with plenty of fuel getting to the carb

3 When you cleaned your carburetor did you pull all the plugs, including the core plug above the slow idle need on the top? Junk and varnish can build up in there and you have remove the plug to properly clean it out and all the holes.

That is the one thing I did not do and will check.

4. Did your carburetor kit come with a new float? Or is your old float still good? (Test the float in a cup of fuel mix and see if floats.) Make sure the Float is flush/parallel with the casting. The core plug above the slow idle needle slot should be facing down when you are setting the float( basically the carburetor should be upside down.)

This I did do when I installed a new float.

Having read your responses I may have the same issue with regards to the core plug.

With regards to compression it was very bad with the old rings and having replaced the rings the compression was much better. However I will endeavor to get the motor compression tested.

Thanks for the quick response.
 

campbrd

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Re: Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

You are probably right I did not pull the plugs on the carb and will need to do so.
 

campbrd

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Re: Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

Hi Everyone,

This is the status on my 2HP Evinrude outboard. I liked all of your suggestions and I went through them again and I thought you might appreciate feedback. I pulled the carb again and rechecked the float. I shined a light behind it to make sure it was absolutely right on. From the picture in the manual and looking at it from the same angle it was hard to discern any noticeable difference without the light. By shinning a light behind the carburetor I saw that it was off by a touch so I made an adjustment just to be sure it was perfect. The light made a big difference in seeing the level of the float to the body of the carburetor.

Next I pulled core plug from the low speed idle I could not see any debris in the holes I shined a light into the carburetor and the holes were clear and clean. Still I used high pressure air to blow them out just to make sure. Shining the light again I moved the throttle linkage and all the holes were fine. I re-installed a new core plug. For added measure I put in a new fuel line after I reinstalled the carburetor. When the motor was put back together again I took it to the lake for a test.

The motor required choke to start. The carburetor configuration at this point was set on
1 ? turns low speed and ? turn high speed after gently seating them. This time it sounded better but required half choke for the warm up. Would not idle at start position on throttle.

Taking one of the suggestions I increased the low speed knob by another half turn. But the idle was rough so I added another ? turn for good measure. Restarting the motor I was able to idle in the start position requiring no choke.

I then increased to full throttle and tried tuning the high speed. I tried leaning it by an eight of a turn but it was too much. I turned it back by a 1/16 of a turn and the motor purred just perfect at full throttle. Again no choke.

I then returned the throttle to the start position and adjusted the slow speed. The best setting was where it was already. Consequently moving it either way did not make any discernible difference.

From the start position I moved the throttle towards the slow. I managed to get a little more than halfway there and the motor responded well. However taking the throttle to the slow position completely the motor slowed down and stopped.

Repeated attempts at fine tuning did not overcome this. I guess I would need a strobe to fine tune the high end RPM and once that is settled then adjustments to the low speed would be possible to be able to throttle back so that the throttle sits at the low speed marking.

Nevertheless the motor works fine and I can fine tune the settings once I have a strobe to judge the RPM.

Many thanks for the info.
 

F_R

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Re: Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

Say what?? The motor is supposed to slow down and stall when you move the lever toward slow. Don't pay much attention to the markings, just read that "slow" is thataway. If it runs/idles slowly at some position, that's all there is to it.
 

cajuncook1

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Re: Need to 1/2 choke 2HP to keep running

Congrats Campbrd,

Welcome done sir!!! FR is 100% right as usual, so follow his advice!

Happy fishing!!

cajuncook1
 
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