Help needed to id these old motors

[sprky349]

I got these at a garage sale the other day and would like to try to get them going but I cant find enough info on either of them.
The red one (manufacture unknown to me) has 2 sets of #'s on it; 633-26 and 4220542
Next, the Elgin, I found 4 sets of #'s on it but they don?t make sense to me
On the lower unit 18054 then on the bottom side of the power head, 18048, also when I removed the fuel tank I found another one on top of the plate, 18038, now the last set was on the side of the motor, 19217. Again these #'s make no sense to me from the sight I found on elgins. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

[F_R]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

The red one is one of the many Eska variants, sold under dozens of brand names.

The Elgin is a different story. It is a model 571.58301, 1946, 1-1/4 horsepower. A popular motor among collectors. That doesn't mean it is worth a pile of money, but more than most of that era.

 

[Tom @ Buzzard Bluff]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

The Eska appears to be a '60s era motor. The Tecumseh/Power Products engine looks like the V-51 that was variously listed as 3 or 3 1/2 horsepower. Look closely----there should be a small metal tag attached to a bolt on the engine that has a Tecumseh engine model designation that is required to order parts. Can't see enough in the full length pic but if there is a 5/16" diameter copper tube that emerges from the exhaust opening that has an extreme 90 degree bend in it at @ a 45 degree angle that causes it to face in the direction of forward motion directly in front of the high-speed water from the prop then it has no water-pump----the forward motion of the boat and prop wash pushes water up to the critical lower bearing/seal area to keep them alive. If there is no tube emerging from the exhaust then it has a water-pump that MUST be functional in order to not 'cook' the crankshaft and bearings.
ONLY the cylinder is air-cooled!!!!

 

[mrcrabs]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

The red one looks to be a clinton, that's where Eska got there start buying Clinton column leg foot assemblys and mounting tecumseh's, but unless I'm wrong its a Clinton not an Eska and i'm wrong alot I would guess it has a water pump. I like it more than the Elgin,
more pic please and close ups of the red one :redface:

 

[sprky349]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

more pictures of the red one


update: messed with them some today, the red one has good compression and spark so i will get some gas for it soon but not sure of the mix yet.

the elgin has good compression but spark seems a little week, wire does not have a connector on the end of it so ill try getting one then check it again. same as the other im not sure of the fuel mix on this one either


thanks for all the info

 

[F_R]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

It's an Eska. You can see the Techumseh powerhead tag in the first picture. It has a diaphragm carburetor, so it isn't a real early one.

 

[Tom @ Buzzard Bluff]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

<update: messed with them some today, the red one has good compression and spark so i will get some gas for it soon but not sure of the mix yet.

the elgin has good compression but spark seems a little week, wire does not have a connector on the end of it so ill try getting one then check it again. same as the other im not sure of the fuel mix on this one either>

Probably need to pull the flywheel on the Elgin to access the points. You'll probably find them 'hazy' looking----that's a film they develop over time that reduces conductivity. Use a piece of worn-out 400 grit wet or dry sandpaper to polish off the film. Set to .020 (since I'm not sure of the right setting that should at least indicate if the magneto is willing.:redface and after setting them draw a few pieces of card stock or brown paper thru them to remove any remaining traces of grit or grease. Never pull an engine over without the plug wire grounded to something! Plug if grounded will tell you if you have spark but not if it's enough. Try opening the gap on an old plug to @ 1/4" and see if it will give a bright blue-white spark. If so you should have enough 'fire' to run well.

Fuel mix for both motors should be safe at 16/1. (8 oz. of TC air-cooled 2 cycle motor oil per gallon---i.e.: weedeater or chainsaw oil---do NOT think you can use a 50/1 mix just because the hype on the oil container sez so---I guarantee that you'll ruin your motors if you do!)

Check your PMs in a few minutes. HTH, Tom

 

[mrcrabs]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

Clinton or Eska? sure looks Clinton but I don't have that much experience with them... I would definitely take the foot off and check to see if it has a water pump and replace if needed, pic of that will help you locate parts, gear lube should be changed while the foot is off and it may even have grease in there if so use Lubriplate #105, the engine can be run with the foot off but just short runs.
I would suggest 16:1 gas to oil ratio most 60ish air cooled's called for that and to be on the safe side use air cooled 2 cycle oil, they say theres more ash content in that oil. what is the no. on the tag by the carb?


EDIT Ok its an Eska, got to be an early one

 

[sprky349]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

these are the numbers that are on the tag on the red one: 633-26 and 4220542

also can some one please tell me where to go to check model an serial numbers at i know there are list on here some where, thanks

 

[mrcrabs]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

http://home.earthlink.net/~brixent/eskaid.htm

 

[mrcrabs]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

I see your Eska engine model 633-26 listed as a 1963 3hp skipper model 1122, 1122a and 1122b

http://home.earthlink.net/~brixent/Model1101-1144.htm

 

[1963outboard]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

Hello i have a similar motor mine is a 1963 Eska skipper 3 hp. Model no. 1122 Serial no. 10481

 

[mrcrabs]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

Dang it, when I seen that red skipper I thought Wow!, then I realised this thread is almost 3 years old and I was only a cadet then,
Oh well next year we can sign it up for kindergarten and send it to school,
but it was good to see toms handle on here again, by the way I still get maii from the old buzzard but he's more into air rifles these days.


crabs

 

[Bob_VT]

Re: Help needed to id these old motors

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