vintage to alpha

tootoot

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I have taken advise seriously and am considering changing my current setup 302/888 OD to 351/Alpha. Couple questions for you novices. Is alpha the way to go or Bravo 1? And with either one, can I use my existing transom hardware? (Gimbal etc.) Secondly, well actually thirdly, is Ford the way to go or should I consider Chevy as it seems most boats are powered by them now. I'm looking for about 275-300 hp for obviously as cheap as possible.
 

WillyBWright

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Re: vintage to alpha

A lot depends on the boat. Whatcha got? In general, Bravos are kinda a waste with smallblocks. Considering the boat's apparent age (1970s?), do you really think it's worth such an expense? I mean if you put $7,000 into it is it going to be worth $7,000? I've had a few trade-ins with new motors on old boats that couldn't come anywhere near the value of the motor alone. The motor didn't add value to the boat. The boat reduced the value of the motor. Dang hard to sell an old boat at 2 or 3 times BlueBook to recover the cost of the upgrade. :(
 

ron7000

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Re: vintage to alpha

i had a 1976 merc 233- the 233hp 351w engine with merc #1 outdrive. Replaced engine with ford 351w HO (285hp) from basic power in 1990, and shortly after the drive with a brand new mercruiser alpha gen 1 drive (cost more than the motor).<br />From my experience, if you can get away from mercruiser engine parts then your ok sticking with a ford engine.<br />The catch is, the transom mounting points for a ford with its bellhousing is different than chevy. So to stay with a ford engine you'll have to either stick with your original transom assembly or if you go to replace it you'll have to find used. I don't think new transom assemblies are even available. It's not that bad, I just did mine and got a whole transom assembly off ebay for $120 shipped (not including outdrive of course). They aren't completely obsolete and not hard to get if you know where to look, browse ebay to get an idea.<br />As for the drive, I inquired at a boat show to mercury directly about using an alpha drive on a 24' boat with a 285hp motor and "they said" the late model alpha is good to 300hp no problem. It's lasted me 10 years no problems internally, just outside is rotted.<br /><br />I don't know if i'd say chevy is the way to go because it's more common; sure there's more aftermarket and in the long run you'll be more secure with parts, and chevy is typically better in the hp department but the 351w is a solid reliable motor just the same. The only things you'll have to worry about are engine accessories like starter, alt., distributor, fuel pump, all which can be gotten below marine part prices and still meet marine requirements.<br /><br />cheapest way to go I think: ford 351w HO w/holley from basic power, something like $3200 and that's brand new engine. A new drive from sterndrive engineering for $1400 I think. If you want to go chevy, and the whole mercruiser route, I know brand new will cost much much more. If you can find a complete used setup that'll fit your transom whole, it might be comparable in cost.
 

ron7000

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Re: vintage to alpha

one important piece of info i forgot to mention, stupid merc had 2 different designs back then for transom assemblies, which made for different width transom holes. The unit i bought off ebay actually didn't fit, it wasn't wide enough to cover the whole in my transom. I still have it in the garage and luckily was able to scrounge another unit that fit. So if you happen to need a transom assembly, let me know, you can have it for what I paid for it.<br />Which also might mean, experienced people might know, is a chevy transom assembly may not bolt up easily- the stud holes may not line up, you may have to cut more of the transom out, worst thing is they're not wide enough to cover the existing hole.
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: vintage to alpha

Toot, stick with your Ford.....To change to Chevy just isn't worth it....Willy & Ron are giving you good advice...A 351 is a direct bolt-in replacement as far as the block goes...It is a little taller & wider (2")each, but most of your accessories with be able to be switched. The oil pan, intake & carb. will have to be changed for sure....The cheapest way out, with the most bang for your buck is to stay Ford & go 351. I'll tell you what, my 302 is the first Ford engine I have worked on or owned.....It has given me good reliable service, and is not that hard to work on. I had heard that Fords were junk, but I ain't buyin' that crap anymore....My .02.......JK
 

Friz

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Re: vintage to alpha

I'm a Chevy man myself. I've known a lot of folks that have good luck w/Ford products, I just happen to not be one of them.<br />Chevy is cheaper to modify, repair, and get parts for. In automotive applications, Chevy has always given me more bang and better fuel economy for the buck.<br />Since you have to redo everything including mounts and accessories, the question really is how much will you have to spend now to reap saving a little bit in fuel and replacement parts in the long run. Is it worth it?
 

tootoot

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Re: vintage to alpha

kopec-<br />I love fords. The old 302 had 700 hours (Hobbs) and the engine was just starting to have a head gasket seep. There was a very slight ridge in the cyl walls and burn no oil. My riser popped a hole and water leaked into the cylinders. Had that not happened, it would still be in the boat. I am totally happy with ford for the reasons you mentioned and more. Ill try to figure out how to get a pic out. Its a cool looking boatw/awsome hull.
 

tootoot

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Re: vintage to alpha

Kopec-<br />Help me out or anyone else for that matter. I read the forum twice but I guess the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. All the info is well advised. Think Ill stay with Ford and go 351, but I am unclear on the outdrive situation. Guess I am trying to figure out if I can put an outdrive that can take the hp of a 351 and mount it directly to the existing hardware (Gimbal etc.). I recently redid the transom and beefed it up so thats good. Its an 888 outdrive in there now.
 

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Re: vintage to alpha

The Only Upgrade available to Your situation is to the Alpha 1 Gen.1,........<br /><br />It'll take care of that 351 All Day Long,...........<br />Depending on Your Control over Your Right Hand............<br /><br />Beat It,+ You'll be Paddling,........<br />Give it a Little Respect,+ You'll Both have a Long & Happy life together....................... ;)
 
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