Ford 351w Starter New and Old

[ross_larter]

Hi all,<br /><br />I currently have a Ford Indmar 351 Permanent Magnet reduched gear starter in my ford 351: Like this one.<br /><br /> http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RK122014 <br /><br />It has a built in relay/solinoid switch on the back, but this starter is now dead (soliniod is fine) so I ordered a new one and got: Older style with only 1 connection on back, so no relay/soliniod!! Like this one.<br /><br /> http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ARC70101 <br /><br />Question is can I just remove the relay/soliniod from my broken one and use it on the new one i have, or does the new type Permanent Magnet reduched gear starter do other things with the solinoid??<br /><br />Hope this makes sense..<br /><br />cheers<br />ross

 

[Bondo]

Re: Ford 351w Starter New and Old

Those are 2 Very Different Starters....... Parts Won't interchange between them......

 

[ross_larter]

Re: Ford 351w Starter New and Old

But isn't a starter soliniod just a relay that passes full current when current is applied to the switch terminal, reversing the field, and pushing the rod up? I was wondering if the soliniod on the first one was used by the starter for something else, other than being a relay?<br /><br />ross

 

[ron7000]

Re: Ford 351w Starter New and Old

I believe on your first pic, with the solenoid on the starter, is that has 2 functions- one is as an electrical switch which you expect from a solenoid. The other is it moves the starter pinion out to engage the flywheel on the engine.<br />Your second pic only needs power to run, the engagement of the starter pinion happens automatically when power is applied to the starter. No big deal, just 2 different starter designs. What you need for the new starter is to add a remote solenoid. Any 3 or 4 pole solenoid will do. You can buy them at a marine store for $40-50 or you can pick the same thing up at an auto store for $10. The biggest problem will be the idiot at the register not knowing how to find it because you don't give him a year/make/model car. You may get lucky at a Napa or independent store where they know what a solenoid is. Ford's are most common for remote solenoids, this is what you need<br />

<br /><br />FYI, I replaced my 1976 starter on my 351w with one from overton's, $149. best thing I ever did. If yours is the 4 1/2", with 2 holes slightly offset then it's the same as mine. Also found same thing at shop.com looking for pic, for same price<br />

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Ford 351w Starter New and Old

Ross, ya went backward. The first starter was the better one. It has higher torque and better speed You should take yours to a local starter rebuilder then you would not have to be concerned with re-wiring as ron described. It would also be cheaper.

 

[qaztwo]

Re: Ford 351w Starter New and Old

You guys have it easy. I got the old 50 pound prestolite starter.