Engine alignment

CaptRon66

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I just swapped out the engine in my old boat. The old engine was a 1971 165 Mercruiser GM straight six. I put a 1974 Mercruiser 165 in its place. The old bell housing and coupler were taken off the old engine and placed on the replacement. The coupler had been replaced by a marine mechanic a year ago due to worn splines. He had also shimmed under the front motor mount about 3/4". He told me he couldn't raise it high enough. This didn't make sense to me because the stringer appears in good shape. The nuts on the front mount were frozen until I used heat and a big cheater bar. I don't think this guy did a proper alignment. I now have an alignment problem with the replacement engine. With the timing mark on the crank pulley at 12 o'clock the engine front shows too high. Alignment tool was coated with grease. It goes in a little more than an inch and there are spline marks on top of the shaft only. Rotate the engine 180 degrees and the alignment tool is able to slide in easy and bottom out. I think I have a bad coupler or cocked the flywheel during installation. What do you guys think? The other question I have is about the rear motor mounts. The metal sleave sticks out the bottom of the rubber a tiny bit. Maybe a little more than a 1/16". The underside of the metal bushing was rough, maybe knurled. Could this be the new style mount? There is approx. 1/4 inch gap between the top of the fiber washer and metal housing that the mount is in(replacement engine). This is with the spring washer installed and rear mounts tightened. Is it right to have that much space on top of the fiber washer? This is the first engine replacement I'm doing so I want to make sure it's done right.
 

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Re: Engine alignment

It goes in a little more than an inch and there are spline marks on top of the shaft only. Rotate the engine 180 degrees and the alignment tool is able to slide in easy and bottom out. I think I have a bad coupler or cocked the flywheel during installation.
That would be my thought also. Did you ever check the alignment at 0° and 180° "Before" the engine change? If it was good then, just changing the coupler from one engine to the next shouldn't change.
 

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Re: Engine alignment

I did not check for alignment before. The boat came back with the outdrive on and went in the water for the season. Are the rear engine mounts right? There is 1/4" gap above the fiber washer.
 

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No, there shouldn't be a 1/4" gap, there also shouldn't be a difference in the alignment at 0° and 180°.<br />Sounds like you have 2 problems, not just 1.
 

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Re: Engine alignment

I think I can figure the the alignment trouble out (0and 180 degrees). I,ve read some other posts and see it needs to be done in 3 positions. Clueless with the rear mounts. Where should I start? The rear mounts are tightened and the spring washer looks like it is compressed. Are the rear mounts installed improperly? What should be checked?
 

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Re: Engine alignment

I meant to add that the spring washer and fiber washer are installed correctly on top of the transom assembly ear. The spacer and washer are installed on top correct( The washer is between the bolt head and spacer). I did not install the motor mounts into bell housing. What could be wrong here?
 

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Re: Engine alignment

The new Merc rear mounts have a knurl on the bottom and are longer than the old mounts shown below.<br /><br />
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<br /><br />They go together as shown below.<br /><br />
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Re: Engine alignment

The only thing that is different on my motor mounts is part "g" . I used a double wound split washer that came in the hardware kit. My motor mount appears to be the new design. The metal sleave in the mount sticks out a little below the rubber(the knurled end). Both rear mounts are like this. Is the double wound washer wrong? It looks like the shim kit is needed. Should I remove the double wound split washer and only use the shim kit if needed to raise? Thank you for your help Don.
 

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The double wound washer is NOT used when using the new mounts.
 

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Re: Engine alignment

I never would have guessed to set the motor mounts with no washer at all inside the fiber washer. Wow, this kind of stuff must drive marine mechanics crazy. By the way. The marine mechanic I paid last year did it wrong too. He used the double wound washers. Thank you again. You just saved me mucho time and probably an extra rental day with a lift. My old Mercruiser service manual is dated. Think it's time to get another.
 

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A new manual will not help, they don't update them for minor changes like new style motor mounts.<br />And YES, this kind of "Change something that has worked for ever to something that is marginal and trial and error fit" is something I would like to discuss with the design engineers, at close range.
 

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Re: Engine alignment

The local parts dealer told me over the phone that Mercruiser part 12-54012 is a 3/8 washer. Too small for motor mount bolt. Found 1 other site on the net that showed a single washer for the bell housing studs. Can anyone help me with the part number for the shim kit??
 

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They have the wrong number on the instruction sheet which gives the washer number alone. The complete kit that includes the 2 SS washers and 2 new fiber washers is P/N 12-892619A01<br /><br />I also changed the part number in the drawing.
 
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