Fiberglass mat/cloth

firanek

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Newbie here. I have been looking for a boat and researching restoration for quite some time when I fell upon this site. Seems like the place to come for answers. <br /><br />My boat is a 1976 Astroglass that I purchased cheap. Will most likely need a total restoration. My first concern is safety and then cosmetics. I have two little ones who are anxious to start joining daddy on his occaisional fishing trips.<br /><br />Anyway, I have read West Systems repair manual as well as Runabout Restoration and can not find information on the different types of mat/glass and how the size and differences of the cloths match up to the job at hand. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. Thanks
 

ondarvr

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Re: Fiberglass mat/cloth

Welcome<br /><br />Does "shattered glass" refer to the type of repair you will be doing?<br /><br />It will be different if you use epoxy or polyester resin. If you use polyester, you will be using 1.5oz mat and 18 or 24 oz roving, don't use cloth. You can get them easily at most marine or fiberglass supply outlets, even hardware stores have them. Polyester is not as strong as epoxy, but costs much less and works well. Epoxy is very strong and is a very good glue, so it works better for bonding things together, like plywood. You may not be able to the correct glass for epoxies at just any store, you might need to order it. Some people love epoxy and thats all they use, but it's normally overkill for most projects.<br /><br /><br />As far as how much to use for each repair like a transom or stringer, just try to match what came out. It's normally the wood that failed not the fiberglass, so the original laminate is close to correct. You will be able to count the layers of fiberglass as you grind or cut it out. <br /><br />You will have many more questions and people here are very helpfull, so keep them coming.
 

firanek

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Re: Fiberglass mat/cloth

Thanks so much for the help, as far as the "Shattered Glass" goes.......absolutely!<br /><br />I of course have more questions. Can you tell me a little more about floatation foam? Do you include the weight of the boat when figuring out how many pounds of floatation needed? Do you know of a good resource for the foam?<br /><br />Also, any good safety tips on cutting out the old fiberglass or separating the hull from the rest of the boat? Thanks again for your help.
 

E. E.

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As far as removing the stringers, I used a 4" angle grinder with a thin curf metal cutting blade to go around the deck to side joint. The same was also used for the stringers. In some areas, I used a sawzall with a long blade to slice the stringer away from the hull.<br /><br />I found US Composites in West Palm Beach to have the cheapest price so far on 2 part foam.<br /> <br />Pour Foam FAQ's from John Greer & Associates<br /><br />"Q. How do I know how much foam I need to float my boat?<br />A. Great question! Get your calculator ready, you will need it. A cubic foot of foam will float about 60 pounds of "dead weight". The wood parts of your boat will probably float, so you don't need flotation foam to offset that weight. The fiberglass parts of your boat will barely sink, so you really don't need much foam to offset the fiberglass- maybe one cubic foot of foam per two hundred pounds (or more) of fiberglass hull. The metal parts of your boat are what you really need to account for. A small (4-6hp) outboard may weigh 45-55 pounds. A 50hp outboard will weigh about 200 pounds. <br /><br />So a 16 foot fiberglass skiff with a 50 horse outboard will need about six cubic feet of foam to keep it afloat. A 12 foot plastic kayak will only need one cubic foot. A 30 foot fiberglass sailing sloop with a diesel engine and lead keel would need about 150 cubic feet of foam. Actually, very few 30 foot keelboats have positive foam flotation, but it's not out of the question- especially when you consider all of the air pockets that would exist, as well as all of the wood interior components that provide some positive flotation.<br /><br />Q. Do I need to paint or fiberglass over the foam?<br />A. You can, but it's generally not necessary. Urethane foam will absorb a small amount of water, because some of the the cells are open (90%+ are closed, though). Painting or glassing will seal the foam and prevent any water absorption, but it really shouldn't be necessary unless the foam is constantly immersed in water, such as in a boat with bilges that are always wet. The foam is not UV resistant, so it should be painted if exposed to sunlight.<br /><br />Q. Is the urethane foam resistant to fuel, oil, and solvents?<br /><br />A. Mostly yes- It is resistant to gasoline and diesel fuel, although it will absorb a small amount because no pourable foam can be guaranteed to be 100% closed cell. A strong solvent such as acetone or toluene would eventually break the foam down, but it would take a long time."
 

Realgun

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First thing is to get the boat to where you can use it. Replace floor stringers or transom if you really need to. I hope only the floor and foam. Do the best on the inside you can always get the crew to do the stuff they can and they will help a lot! Then do the cosmetics.<br /><br />
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<br /><br />Thats the crew hard at work. :)
 

firanek

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Thanks for the help and the pics, could you please tell me how you got your pics to post directly on the thread? Thanks
 
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