Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

acoatley

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Does anyone know the max bore size for a 115? and can it be re-sleeved? Blew a connecting rod bearing and it came up through the port which scored the cylinder deep.
 

Solittle

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Most OMC motors can be resleeved by the right shop. I think the max oversize bore job is 0.040 with 0.30 being the most common.
 

acoatley

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Thanks, Because it looked like it was cast in I thought I was doomed. I can't beleive how all those roller bearing pieces ended up in the cylinder. Two piston assemblies and a resleeve could make me real happy.
 

acoatley

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Your right. Checked out wiesco before I started honing. Got to 3.56 and still have significant scores. The roller bearing pieces really destroyed the walls, piston, and heads. If I could attach pictures I would. I never seen anything like it in 30 years of working on car engines.
 

ledgefinder

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Acoatley, if you see this, are you using a portable hone (for example, Sunnen AN-112), and if so can you give any comments on how well it works? How long did it take to remove 0.060"? Thanks, ledgefinder
 

AUGIDAWG

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

I would not recommend taking very much material out with a hone.<br />It should be bored (not like when I'm talking to my boss) and then final honing to achieve the perfect diameter, and to produce the "cross hatch" (angled scratches to seat rings).<br /><br />If the cylinder is tapered, it will stay tapered, or get worse.<br />If it is straight, you might get lucky removing a lot of material and keeping it straight, but I wouldn't count on it.
 

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I would not try to take a cylinder to over size with just a hone. They are not meant for this. If you have a bore guage, you will probably find you do not have a strait hole.This is just a suggestion, but I would try to find a used block and go from there. You did not say how old your engine is, but this is going to be an expensive project. A used block will probably save you some money. If you go with your own block, look it over very carefully as a broken rod can really cause havoc. When you spend this kind of money you sure don't want it to fly apart again.
 

ledgefinder

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OK I'm confused. I've heard people say that you need to bore a cylinder for oversize before. Yet Sunnen and the other hone manufacturers certainly market their product for exactly this purpose - oversizing the cylinder, not just final surface prep. <br /><br />I'm not taking about a spring-loaded hone, I mean the rigid ones (for example, Sunnen AN-112). Makes sense to me that you'd get a round cylinder with no taper using a rigid hone. I can believe that the cylinder's axis might not be perpendicular to the crankshaft (particularly if it's not in the first place), and that a boring operation should remove metal faster. I don't see the other drawbacks happening, but then again I haven't tried it. Sunnen's a pretty respected manufacturer - if this doesn't work, why are they selling the product?<br /><br />I do know the factory AMA motocross teams (Honda, Yamaha, etc) use automated hones for the full cylinder oversizing.
 

R.Johnson

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The Sunnen hone as used with a drill is fine for prep work if you are just reringing. If you are trying to size a cylinder by hand as much as .010-.020 you are not going to have a straight hole. By the time you size 4 cylinders that amount with a stone, you would be lucky to have a hone, or a drill left. Keep in mind you are putting some very expensive pieces together here. Even when boring an outboard block, you have an interupted cut here with the ports and want to have someone who knows what they are doing. Sunnen hone's are not cheap. That is another cost factor.
 

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

When I started out as a machinist apprentist over 30 years ago, I ran a Sunnen honing machine. This was a machine for honing mostly small parts up to 1" in diameter. You would sit at this machine, and use a foot-pedal to apply the outwards force onto the single stone, mounted in the mandrel. You would use a hardened "bedding" cylinder, supplied by Sunnen, to "true" the stone. This "cylinder, was knurled on the outside, so you could hold it in your oil soaked hand, and had a course "cross hatch" on the inside. The opperator would slide the cylinder in and out over the mandrel, flip it around 180 degrees, slide it in and out again, to complete the truing or straightening of the stone.<br />Then, a part could be honed to exact tolerences, and a perfectly straight consistant diameter. If the stone wasn't trued every few parts, a taper would start to develop inside of holes.<br /><br />If you aren't truing your hone inside of a truing sleave, simular to this, you will have a tapered hole.<br /><br />I worked at a drag racing company, that built drag racing Kawasaki's. My primary job was boring cylinders, and fitting pistons using hand held expanding hones as you describe.<br />Trust me, if you are honing out more than .003", you will not have a straight hole.
 

ledgefinder

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Good to have someone who knows what they're talking about, & puts up with my questions. Thanks for staightening me out before I spent $ for the Sunnen (minor), and messed up some good blocks (NOT so minor).
 

acoatley

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Thanks for all the input and I realize the taper issue. It took 3.5 hours of honing to go the distance of .06. I still need an answer on OMC resleeving. How's it done? The sleeves in the port area seem to be splined. I haven't found a shop yet that will re-sleeve this block. Any body got a 115 v4 1983 johnson evinrude block to spare?
 

alcan

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Keep looking for a shop that can handle the work you need done. The right shop will cut out the sleeve that is there now and press in a new one.
 

Hooty

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They don' press in, they just drop in. The old sleeve has to be machined out, then the block is heated and the new sleeve drops in. I use Larry's Outboard Machine Shop in Irving, Texas and for my money, hez the best.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty
 

acoatley

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

Since I'm in Michigan I'll continue to look for a local shop. This forum is pretty great for some straight forward help. Are v4 Johnsons prone to loosing bearings and destroying cylinderss or is this rare. By the time I get done fixing this I could have another 600-800 dollars tied up. I want to be sure it's worth it.
 

rc581

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Re: Rebuild 115 V4 Johnson

hi acoatley, i run a 115 v4 johnson 1982. and from what i've been led to believe, they are a very good motor. i do not know anything about mechanic work, but never had a problem with mine. all the older marine mechanics swear by them.hope that makes you feel a little better....bob
 
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