140hp on 125 rated boat

jimonica

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I've got a 115hp Tohatsu on a 17ft deep V rated at 125hp. I just found out the 115hp is a detuned 140hp. And to get 140hp out of my motor I just need to time to 140 specs and adjust my throttle stop. My question is am I playing with fire by going over the factory recommended hp on the boat?<br />Thanks Jim
 

wilkin250r

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

As for safety, you're obviously playing with fire. As for legality, some states can issue citations for exceeding the HP rating of the hull, but I don't think it is common. However it IS common for insurance companies to deny coverage if you are over-powered.<br /><br />With that disclaimer out of the way, the HP rating of the hull isn't a magic number of the power it can handle. It is based of a mathematical formula, [(Length * Transom Width * 2) -90] where length and width are in feet, usually out to 2 decimal places, and then rounded up to the nearest 5 horse.<br /><br />So an 18 ft boat, with a transom with of 5'6" would have a HP rating of (18*5.5*2)-90=108, or 110HP rounded up.<br /><br />Now, there IS a secondary test, called a high-speed turn test. At full speed, with the max HP outboard properly propped, the boat must be able to survive a sudden 180 degree turn of the wheel without loss of control or ejecting the pilot.<br /><br />If the hull fails the high-speed turn, the manufacturer can either place a warning plate on the dash, or de-rate the hull.<br /><br />Now that you know where the rating comes from, you can make your own decisions.
 

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

Crank up the power!!!<br /> AS long as the weight is the same and you don't drive it like a jackass you will be fine. <br />It is always nice to have that little bit of power when you have a heavy load ect...<br /> I don't know about where you live but in Ca you can power your boat anyway you choose. You can also get your overpowered boat insured with no problems. <br />Good luck
 

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

Originally posted by wilkin250r:<br />As for legality, some states can issue citations for exceeding the HP rating of the hull, but I don't think it is common. However it IS common for insurance companies to deny coverage if you are over-powered.
Not by tuning up a 115. Nobody could EVER know that it was overpowered no matter what happened.<br /><br />140hp is definately safe on that boat. My 16' Glastron rated for 120hp has had a 150hp on it for the last 30 years...couldn't handle any better.
 

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Thanks for the response guys. I really din't think 15hp over the plate on the boat would be that big of deal. <br />I will say I was alway thought the horsepower rating of your boat had more to do with the strength of the transom? I've seen a lot of little Checkmates and Glastrons with some pretty big engines on the back. Of course I realize my boat is just aluminum fishing boat.<br />Thanks Jim
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br />I will say I was alway thought the horsepower rating of your boat had more to do with the strength of the transom?
You'd think, and it should, but it doesn't. That's why the coast guard rating is more or less completely worthless. It's a rough estimation of what you should be using, and nothing more. Hulls should be rated for a max speed and transom weight, not HP. Of course I wouldn't expect any government agency to use any common sense...
 

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

If it sinks by the stern the motor was too heavy otherwise go for it.
 

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posted by bluewater19:<br />" AS long as the weight is the same and you don't drive it like a jackass you will be fine. <br />It is always nice to have that little bit of power when you have a heavy load ect..."
I agree with this, and as you said yourself its only 15hp difference, not like we are talking about HUGE difference as we have before on this site.
 

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Thanks for the input, I just want to be sure I wasn't doing anything stupid.<br />But I will have fun when I go up against my brother in-law. He also has 17ft aluminum fishing boat with 115hp Johnson. And for the last 3 or 4 years when I'm up at the cabin I'd have to watch him going WOT about 20ft off my dock, just to show me how fast of a boat he has. I think he will be in for a surprise! lol!
 

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

If you have an accident prey that the lawyers don't find out. They like stuff like that.
 

dtherrien

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I wouldnt worry about the extra horse power from the same engine jimonica.There is a good chance your 115 is putting out more than 115hp.No 2 engines are exactly alike .....when the manufactures rate it for 115,its the average.
 

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This overpowering and someone finding out is a mute point. The serial #'s still say it's a 115, the ONLY way to tell that it's putting out 140 is to put it on a dyno and no-one is going to take the time and cost of doing that.<br /><br />Craig
 

BoatBuoy

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

I would be quite surprised if the timing and throttle stop are the only differences between a 115 and a 140. Maybe so.
 

jimonica

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Originally posted by BoatBuoy:<br /> I would be quite surprised if the timing and throttle stop are the only differences between a 115 and a 140. Maybe so.
My thinking was the same as yours BoatBuoy.<br />Go to the Tohatsu/Nissan engine topics and you'll see there is a nice thread about changing a 115hp Tohatsu to 140hp. I've only been a member on this forum for a short time but from what I've been reading Elvin seems to be the Tohatsu expert and is very well respected by the other members. Go ahead and read it, its pretty interesting. <br />Thanks Jimonica
 

ziemann

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I was the one on that thread that questioned the simplicity of changing from a 115 to a 140 and suggested that it might be a bit more involved. But it does not seem to be the case. It appears that it is that simple. <br /><br />Of course, I am waiting for the new Nissan/ Tohatsu 115 TLDI to come out this November... Unfortunately, I doubt I will be able to modify that due to the ECU.<br />:)
 

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

as far as the legalities of it ... do it, but just don't ever post about it on a msg. board... oops...
 

dakk1

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Re: 140hp on 125 rated boat

I ran a 150hp on a 16 1/2 Baja ski boat a few years back that was rated for a 135hp. That Baja was light too. It never seemed like it was overpowered though. Handled easy and it was stable. Surely there's a "little" leeway in those ratings, performance wise that is.<br /><br />Dave..
 
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