The most accurate Speedo other than GPS....

Manipulator

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My speedo always runs about 5 MPH slower than I am actually going. I have original equipment and mine has the little fin off the transom. I have blew air through it but it didn't make much difference. A guy I met who has a ski boat says his has a little wheel that spins and says its very accurate. Anyone heard of this?
 

Silvertip

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Re: The most accurate Speedo other than GPS....

Yes -- they are called paddle wheels. Most better locators have them to display speed, distance traveled, trip, just like the trip computer in your car. If you want a paddle wheel speedometer only, check here on iBoats.
 

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Those tournament ski boat speedos really are sweet. The fancier ones will take 2 pickups, not just one.<br /><br />Kelly
 

cobra 3.0

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Re: The most accurate Speedo other than GPS....

I have one of those speedometer wheels on my sonar. It's pretty darn accurate...but a GPS even better.
 

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Re: The most accurate Speedo other than GPS....

Is a GPS really "better"? It's not measuring the same attribute as your speedometer. <br /><br />Aboard an airplane at cruising speed, walk from the back to the front, your GPS will tell you you're walking 400mph. <br /><br />It'll tell you how fast your boat is traveling, but not how fast your engine is pushing it, except in dead calm conditions...<br /><br />Shouldn't there be a calibration adjustment for manipulator's speedometer?
 

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Aboard an airplane at cruising speed, walk from the back to the front, your GPS will tell you you're walking 400mph.<br />
And your not moveing at 400 MPH ? :) <br /><br />there are some high end water pressure speedos but they cost more than a lot of GPS :( <br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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Both paddle wheel and pitot speedos try to measure your speed through the water. Only if there is zero water movement (no current) do they approximate your speed over the surface of the earth, ie: map speed.<br /><br />GPS measures your movement in 3 dimensional space which, when afloat, is map speed.<br /><br />Speed through the water is useful for calculating prop slip, fuel usage and bragging rights.<br /><br />Only map speed is useful for calculating time between map points (waypoints in GPS-speak).
 

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I can't believe someone can compare 24 satillites in intermediate circular orbit all with precision atomic clocks which signal a hand held receiver that plots it's location on the face of the earth preciely, to a dimestore pressure gauge at the end of a piece of hose, and think for one second that that the pressure gauge is "better". :D ;)
 

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Paul<br /><br />i can say that the twin air guide speedos on the correct craft are dead on the money as any GPS<br /><br /> your passes in water ski tournaments have to right on or you get a DQ :) <br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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A little side note, the pressure and paddle wheel signals are real time. There is a slight delay with GPS, and when you think about it, it is really giving you an average of what you did over a previous split of time, and as JB noted, over the bottom, not the water. This delay is more obvious the quicker that you are accelerating or decelerating.<br /><br />In a wheeled vehicle GPS is also inaccurate if you are climbing or descending . . . It's trying to measure your progress as if you are always traveling perfectly horizontally. This is hair splitting stuff, but that's kinda what we do here . . . :D
 

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Yeah, and I'm sure with enough money and time you can make a Swiss watch by banging rocks together. :D <br />Just kidding around. ;) It only seemed like an odd comparison to me. I hope I'm not the only one who sees a little humour in it. :D
 

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Speed through the water is useful for calculating prop slip, fuel usage and bragging rights.
Let's Not Forget Fishin',...... :p <br /><br />As Stated repeatedly,..... It's More about What you wish to Measure,........<br /><br />GPS,.. If you wish to measure How Fast you are moving,.. Around the Globe.........<br /><br />A Trolling Spoon Doesn't Care how fast it's traveling around the Earth,..........<br />What Matters is,........ How Fast it's moving thru the Water ......<br /><br />'ell,..... I'm running 2 paddlewheels,+ GPS......They Rarely Agree,.... Due to Currents............
 

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Damn - - One says 42 mph and the other 42.5. I'm tearing my hair out to find out which is correct!!
 

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Speed is relative to the environment around you.There is ground speed,air speed,water speed and speed relative to the car next to you on the road.<br />My airguide with water pickup gives me a fairly correct speed indication compared to the surrounding water.I was in an ultra light plane once that had an airspeed of 40 miles and a ground speed of 12.<br />It all depends on what you want to measure.
 

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This is getting better than an oil thread! :D <br /><br />Having the air tube, paddle wheel, and GPS on mine (none of which ever agree unless I'm docked) it sure ends up getting confusing. So I add them up, divide by 3 and square root the average, and make sure it corresponds to the tri dimensional attributes of the girth of the moon, sun, and earth by cubing their circumference and and and...smile at my lack of mathematical ability and at the absurdity of the whole thing!<br /><br />As Bondo and others have mentionned, I must agree that the paddle wheel's advantage is best in measuring actual movement in the water where 1/2 mph could be too much or too little ...especially trolling.<br /><br />So I guess in the end it depends on what kind of speed you want to measure and how much you want to pay for that. I really like having the speedometer with the sonar since I'm always checking for water depth anyway...either fishing or just wanting to avoid hitting bottom.<br /><br />The GPS is great too in locating fishing spots and is very accurate in measuring general speed.<br /><br />In the end, I suppose just a plain old paddle wheel speedometer on its own is fine too if you don't care about any of the other stuff.
 

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Not so, QC.<br /><br />GPS measures your speed in three (not 2) dimensions. That you happen to be on the surface of water or the earth is coincidental. Note that most of them calculate altitude above sea level as well as X-Y coordinates. If you are driving up or down hill the altitude changes with the position.<br /><br />In an aircraft you can get climb or descent rate as well as position change and/or straight line speed.<br /><br />You are correct about the delay. Refresh time is in milliseconds. In a boat you may move several feet if you are really honking it. Refresh rate varies with different units.<br /><br />Tom, the only time a perfectly accurate water speed speedo like a paddle wheel or pitot is "dead on" to GPS is in dead still water.<br /><br />It is an important distinction, as several have said, whether you are interested in water speed/air speed (relative) or space speed (absolute). You often need to know both.<br /><br />Back in my days of navigating aircraft over water and before we had so much electronic help navigating watercraft if you were wrong on either you got lost. Getting lost in the middle of the Pacific is not a good thing.
 

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JB,<br /><br />I may in fact be wrong, but my points are from personal observations. I mentioned somewhere that I am a gauge-aholic. Especially when crossing the desert at 5:00 AM with everybody else asleep ;) <br /><br />A factor concerning my "while climbing inaccuracy" claim may be signal losses, as when climbing a grade there is more likelihood of losing one or two satellites behind whatever you are climbing. I use my 176C on both the truck and the boat (same unit). On flat land the difference between the truck speedo and the GPS speedo is negligible and consistent. While climbing or descending I see pretty wide swings, sometimes as much as 5 MPH either way. Never seen that while on the water or driving horizontally. I also recall reading in my first unit's manual that altitude was the least accurate piece of info.<br /><br />Think about it this way. If you put a GPS on a rocket that was going straight up, what speed would it record? Up speed? Or horizontal progress, "0"? Kinda getting into theory of relativity stuff here, no? But again, while driving basically alone (four asleep passengers) for miles on end, I entertain myself and keep myself awake, by noodlin', changing screens and contemplating data. The good news is that I actually have a life once they wake up :D
 

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Re: The most accurate Speedo other than GPS....

i will Put it a different way, for its intended use the air guides are much better than GPS :) <br /><br />now for most everything else GPS wins for me<br /><br />QC the up and down is bad becasue they dont want you useing them in aircraft :) which we all know somebody will be stupid enough to try :( <br /><br /><br />tommays
 
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