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Yegboats

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The Electric E Brake can be set up to hold the Car from rolling back on a hill when you take your foot off the Service Brake and before you put it on the Gas Pedal. It is a bit of a pain when you change Brake Pads, cause the Screwjack, used has to be retracted before you can press the Caliper Piston back in.
My Car has a feature where it will apply the Brakes if something suddenly appears in front of Me, or the Vehicle ahead abruptly slows down. It also detects Jaywalkers(though to me they are Fair Game... Got one added to my Scorecard in Dec 2007)
Even when it far colder than Freezing, I rarely turn on the Seat Heaters(have had them in pretty much every car since the mid 90s), but I have the Seat Fans going as soon as the temp is above Freezing. That is why I like Cloth over Leather for Seats. The Heated Steering Wheel comes on at about 8, way too warm out, it shouldn't come on until about 10 below. One one of my Car that feature Quit, the cost of the Wheel was over a Grand, fortunately it was Warranty.
A real useless feature is the Rain Sense Wipers. One Current Car it can be disabled in the menus, the Earlier Car, unhooking the Sensor on the Windshield would revert the System to regular Intermittent Wipers.
I feel like a peasant in my van without heated steering wheel, paralell park assist, brake HOLD,and blind spot indicators on side views.
 

matt167

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why is the 4L60E garbage?
Would like to know for preventative reasons.
When towing my pontoon, I use Tow Haul mode and sometimes with 3rd gear , not "D". Also have an external cooler that keeps my trans temps no higher than 170-180 F. , usually stays around 150 ish.
Fluid has been changed twice in 98,000 miles.
I don't use a heavy throttle, especially when towing.
4L60E won’t leave you stranded in general but it has issues that effect shift quality and how many gears you have.
 

matt167

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I can't comment on a stock application th400 as... well... thats just way before my time at this point.

I've had three six speeds go out right around 60k and one holding on by a thread. The failure was always 6 neutrals but reverse worked. I didn't care to know the failure because its not my money nor my problem. (I'm not paid to work on the vehicle, I'll treat it as such since everyone else does too.) But based on that info seemed more like a valve body issue. If you mashed the throttle to redline in drive it would sometimes lock back into gear and drive normal.

The 10 speed in the ford likes to forget you put it in drive and sometimes move in reverse or just neutral drop itself randomly while driving. Most of the gear shifts it'll try and launch you through the windshield until it's warmish.

I'll also add to the garbage pile: 700r4. Yes more or less a 4l60 but still.
I threw the 400 in the list because it ran up until ‘93 or so.


I got rid of my Ranger with the 10 speed at 48k miles. It never shifted great and then at the end it started having neutral in drive and delayed reverse shifts and at one point some clunking. Loved the truck but was glad to let it go
 

Pmt133

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I threw the 400 in the list because it ran up until ‘93 or so.


I got rid of my Ranger with the 10 speed at 48k miles. It never shifted great and then at the end it started having neutral in drive and delayed reverse shifts and at one point some clunking. Loved the truck but was glad to let it go
I cross shopped everything when I got the Colorado I don't recall at this point what I dis liked about the ranger but out of all the midsized trucks I disliked the Colorado the least. I currently still dislike it the least. :LOL:

You describe what the 10 speed in the F150 has been doing since day 1. Ford keeps telling dad its normal. Truck was free so I guess it is what it is.

Knock on wood but the only oddity I have had with the 8 speed is the random slip bang 1-2 shift occasionally on the first shift of the morning. And I'm convinced its a programming issue because I can drive to duplicate it on the first start or drive around it and never have it happen. And its been like 2 years since it last happened.

I have driven plenty of 400s, but they've been worked to either manual valve bodies or are so far from stock it just isn't a fair assessment of it for me. Though they're nice.
 

bruceb58

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The 10 speed GM uses is pretty good. The ford version (have both) is god awful.
You do realize they are both the same transmission right. The only difference is basically the valve body and the case...possibly the CDF drum. GM and Ford had a joint venture on the 10 speed in light duty trucks.
 

Pmt133

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You do realize they are both the same transmission right. The only difference is basically the valve body and the case...possibly the CDF drum. GM and Ford had a joint venture on the 10 speed in light duty trucks.
Which is why I called it the ford version. You wouldn't even think they were the same transmission driving both. The 10 speed Allison is just a sticker and hard parts swapped version of it too.
 

matt167

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You do realize they are both the same transmission right. The only difference is basically the valve body and the case...possibly the CDF drum. GM and Ford had a joint venture on the 10 speed in light duty trucks.
Valve body and the drum are both different as well as logic. The Ford actually has some better parts but the shift logic turns it into a steaming pile. I’ve driven both having had a Ranger and I drive the GMs daily.
 

bruceb58

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Which is why I called it the ford version. You wouldn't even think they were the same transmission driving both. The 10 speed Allison is just a sticker and hard parts swapped version of it too.
The 10 speed Allison is only on the heavy duty trucks and it was NOT a joint venture with Ford.
 

Pmt133

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The 10 speed Allison is only on the heavy duty trucks and it was NOT a joint venture with Ford.
Again, derivative from that program. Not direct joint venture but an off shoot of the program. All developed and loosely based around the ZF 8HP, just worse. All sharing the exact same issues.

And the real HD trucks still use the 6 speed Allison (medium duty)
 

Lou C

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So of the available transmissions from GM, Ford or Stellantis (Ram) which seems least troublesome?
 

Pmt133

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So of the available transmissions from GM, Ford or Stellantis (Ram) which seems least troublesome?
They all suck. The ZF in the rams is going to be the least sucky of them imo. But they all have the same issues honestly.
 

Lou C

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It seems that the push for ever greater fuel economy has made auto transmissions less reliable. That said I’ve had good luck with the 545RFE in my 2007 Jeep 5.7 but it’s only a 5 speed….these were a lot better than the old 42REs in the older Grand Cherokees.
 

kd4pbs

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Whew - and I was upset when the 7-speed in my '08 Mercedes needed a replacement conductor plate at 280,000 miles. It set me back $300, a filter kit, and 9 quarts of ATF134. I guess I should be thankful!
 

bruceb58

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I have owned both the Ford 10R80(2018 F150) and GM 10L1000(2024 GMC Denali 2500 gas). Both are excellent performing transmissions

I change ATF every 30k.

Another thing. The comment that the extra shifts are a waste of time has to be the dumbest comment on here in a long time.
 

kd4pbs

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Bruce, is that the factory recommended change interval? I'm curious because my department just inherited a '21 F-150 that was being retired from a different division, and it's got almost 200,000 miles on the clock, and I noticed it shifts a little stupid sometimes. This will be the first Ford I've ever had experience with apart from having to fix them far more frequently than other makes back when I turned wrenches for a living.
 

bruceb58

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Bruce, is that the factory recommended change interval? I'm curious because my department just inherited a '21 F-150 that was being retired from a different division, and it's got almost 200,000 miles on the clock, and I noticed it shifts a little stupid sometimes. This will be the first Ford I've ever had experience with apart from having to fix them far more frequently than other makes back when I turned wrenches for a living.
No it is not. Most intervals are over 200k miles. WAY too long. I tow too much to use that schedule.

I believe the GM schedule for the 10L1000 is 45k
 

matt167

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It’s 48k miles I think for severe duty. Any towing, plowing, heavy haul OR very low temperatures or high temperatures are considered severe duty per GM. I do them all the time. They are good transmissions until they aren’t but keeping up with maintenance sure helps
 

Mc Tool

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It’s 48k miles I think for severe duty. Any towing, plowing, heavy haul OR very low temperatures or high temperatures are considered severe duty per GM. I do them all the time. They are good transmissions until they aren’t but keeping up with maintenance sure helps
I do my own trans fluid and filter changes at about 30,000kms
 
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