120 looper to 115 ficht

noelm

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Hi All<br /> this may be sort of interesting to some, who knows! I had a pair of 1990 120 loopers on a 20 foot twin hull, which I had done nearly 1,500 hours, in 2000 I swapped for a pair of 115 fichts, now the fichts are 5 years old and have over 2,000 hours on them so I think I know them pretty well, here is my long term comparisons on the two motors. First off both motors weigh nearly the same so I gained nothing there, next fuel economy, the fichts barely sip petrol where as the 120's took some feeding, I guess about twice the fuel consumption of the fichts maybe even a bit more but the oil is more expensive for the fichts.starting was a bit the same for both, the fichts just need to turn key, wait a jiffy then start where as the loopers needed choke and lever setting to start, but not a big deal, now in terms of running, the fichts will idle all day as smooth as silk and no smoke or fouling problems but the old loopers where not all that happy trolling for long periods, the biggest difference and this is where I think the loopers where slightly ahead is in power, the loopers had almost unlimited torque and you could happily just move the throttles up and the boat would just increase speed in time with the throttles, but the fichts have a very definite "power band" and when you take off it almost seems like it is going to "bog down" but when it hits the power band it goes like hell and requires throttle back adjustment as speed will just keep increasing, now this is not bad just different, in the service area the old loopers where easy to "fiddle with" but the fichts are a lot more complex and require more specialised technical expertise to keep running at their best, mind you they have over 2,000 hours of almost trouble free running, as far as looks go the newer motors always look great so no contest there, a small thing I personally do not like, although it has never posed a problem in the air intake is on the front of the 2000 models cowling and cops a lot of salt water spray when running, you may be thinking why am I writing this but I am going to repower soon and maybe this may have helped with someones choice in going from an older to a new generation motor, what will I buy when I trade the fichts?? well does anyone make a 115 with ficht fuel economy, looper torque and about 80 pounds lighter? hhmmm I doubt it but if they do put me down for two!
 

seahorse5

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

Check out the upcoming Evinrude E-TEC 115hp motors. They are much quieter than your 115 FICHTS and will use even less fuel. Oil consumption is said to be less also. Weight is about the same. They are due to come out sometime this summer.<br /><br />You can just bolt them on the boat. They use the same wiring harness and controls and oil tank. Just cap off the oil return line as they do not use one.
 

noelm

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

Hey there is something I forgot, the 120 loopers had the original oil injection setup and it never gave a moments trouble and the 115 fichts still have the oil injection as well and it also has never given an ounce of trouble, so for all those people who think mix your own is the only way to go think again, that VRO/oil injection whatever you like to call it has never let me down and the dealer told me only folks who do not understand the oil system say it must be disconnected and thrown away!! that does not mean that it cannot fail as everythjing could and does break!
 

moderator1

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

the dealer told me only folks who do not understand the oil system say it must be disconnected and thrown away!! that does not mean that it cannot fail as everythjing could and does break!
With all due respect, many of these systems have failed for various reasons, some I'm sure could've been prevented, and some are just the fact "things break"..the reason alot a folk just plug'r off and premix.
 

noelm

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

that is true but if you think that way we could do away with the battery and starter as they could give trouble, then we could use a bit of rope 'cause the recoil starter could break, then we could remove the steering and use a tiller and manual gear shift, then get rid of the fuel pump and have the fuel tank above the motor and use gravity feed, see what I am getting at?? there comes a time when you just need to trust the bits and pieces and just "do it". hey and if you are worried by all means ditch the VRO and premix, that can never fail (unless you get the mixture wrong)
 

seahorse5

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

To learn about the myths of the VRO, click on the BOATING FORUMS tab on the upper right of your screen, then go to the Engine FAQ section of these forums, section F. "more about VRO's" for the whole story.
 

noelm

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

yep, been there before and had a good read
 

walleyehed

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

Not a good comparison, noelm...VRO fails, so does the rest of the engine for the most part.<br />Might have a useable lower unit.<br />I personally wouldn't throw it away cause I thought I "might" have trouble, I throw it away so I "Don't" have trouble.<br />The early Variable Ratio oiler ruined me.<br />We have some super people here that are "In the know" on what the percentage of failure is on these, and I'm in the middle of Nowhere and have seen plenty of problems. We were a dealer for 23 years for J/E-J side only, I was by no means the man turning all the wrenches until about 14yrs ago, and I can't count how many oil injection/induction failures I've seen.<br />If you have lots a money and want to keep the oilers on the crossflows have at it.<br />waiting for one to fail is like wondering how far you can go on your weather-checked spare tire.
 

noelm

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Re: 120 looper to 115 ficht

HI<br /> I think you may have the wrong idea about my posts, I am not for one minute suggesting that anyone who removes his VRO is a dummy, as the saying goes 'if it feels good, do it" I was just relating my own personal experience with VRO on both Evinrude and Yamaha and that is I have never had a failure, but as I have said I have seen a lot that have including the one that failed after only a couple of hours use! and I agree there are some people who post here that know a whole lot more than some technicians will ever know and it was a great day when I stumbled on this site.
 
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