125 Force how to get more speed

oxmax360

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Hi all, just a quick question for you pros, I need some ideas on how to get more speed out of my 125 force, it sits on a 1990 Wellcraft 18 sport which is not a heavy boat, max gps speed so far is 35 mph just would like to get another 5 mph out of her, any ideas thanks.
 

Lyle29464

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Sounds like it is doing good. Not much you can do. Less weight
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Like Alaninga asked,RPM's at Wot?
Prop size?
Load really affects the heavier boats.
Too many toys and THINGS really drag you down.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Easiest way to get 5 MPH is to bolt on a 150 at the transom. Even then, you may not see a full 5 MPH.

You can gain a couple of MPH by playing with the engine height on the transom, using a stainless prop, and experimenting with different props --both design and pitch. Gaining speed is not a simple bolt-on process unless you do opt for a larger engine. Rather, it takes time and dedication. You must experiment, changing only one thing at a time and observing the results.

You can NOT gain speed without using a tachometer and GPS for speed readings because different props will run at different RPM and yet may or may not improve speed. You need to interpret speed vs. RPM.

If you are currently using a hydro-foil, try running without it. They can knock off some top end.

Understand that Force engines are a 50 year old design. They are simple and utilitarian, will get you there and back, will last if maintained, but are no race engines. While horsepower gains can be made with engine modifications, it is very difficult to get them to perform like newer designs. That is probably one reason why Mercury discontinued making them.
 

oxmax360

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Wow Frank, seems like a serious project to gain a few mph, I am pushing about 4800 rpm not to much weight on the boat, I guess 35 mph is not that bad lol don't wanna bolt on a 150.
 

emoney

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

I always get more speed when I put gas in the boat. Without it, it just won't go nowhere. It seems to go faster on the trailer too, but it's no where near as much fun.

What's the hurry anyway?
 

SkiDad

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

I think that is all it will do - i have a boat that weighs 1550 with a force 125 engine and all i can get is 40 with just me in it. Your boat weights about 2250 with engine. I know when I put 500 lbs of family in with me my speed drops down to 37. So 35 sounds about right.
 

oxmax360

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Lol emoney, 5 more mph makes a big difference in the mississippi sound when the water gets rough, also just wasn't thinking 35 mph was the max for a 125, prop is a 17 pitch
 

wildmaninal

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Wow Frank, seems like a serious project to gain a few mph, I am pushing about 4800rpm

? Should that motor be running at 5500rpm? Although it is a 125hp on an 18ft boat... What is the maximum horse power for your boat?
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

If 4800 is all you get then a smaller prop is needed.
If your running a 19 then a 17 will bring up the rpm's.
Probably won't get any more speed but the fuel economy will improve.

I have 17p on my twins.Wanted more speed.Changed to 19p and got 2-3mph more.
Fuel usage went up 15-25% Depending on how hard I hit it!!

My boat has twin 85's 21ft center console.It gets about 33-35 mph on a good smooth day.
4 men from 165# to 225#(me) and all the fishing gear.
It does the same with just me in it.
Depending on load,no difference.
 

oxmax360

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

? Should that motor be running at 5500rpm? Although it is a 125hp on an 18ft boat... What is the maximum horse power for your boat?

Not sure what the rpms should be at for that motor, I think it is rated for up to a 150.
 

wildmaninal

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Not sure what the rpms should be at for that motor, I think it is rated for up to a 150.

The rpm range is listed on the motor at the transom mount where your model number and serial number plate is, unless its worn off. The motor should run wide open at 5500 rpm, if its not your motor is being bogged down (the only word I could think of). As mentioned try changing the prop to a different pitch. Just curios have the carberators been messed with? If they are not syncronized (linked and synced), and the adjustments have been messed with this could cause the motor not to run at 5500 rpm. I'm not saying to mess with the carburators, I am just asking if they have been messed with. They got to be just right. If the boat is rated for a 150 then 125hp ain't bad then I was thinking the boat might be rated for a bigger motor then that.
 

oxmax360

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

The carbs have been cleaned by a marine shop begining of this season, I would hope that it was all put back right, something I will look into.
 

bubbahemi

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

you should bore it out and put a stoker in it. maybe get bigger motor like a merc 300hp
 

labawg

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Not to ask the obvious, but have you tried adjusting your trim at WOT to see if you can gain RPM and speed?
 

catfishcarl99

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

ya playing with prop pitch can improve speed by a couple mph. on my 50 hp on a 17' fish and ski i got 4mph out of it from going from a 13.5 to a 11.5. just like they said make sure you dont over shoot your rpm range.
 

Btrent1999@gmail.com

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

I have a120 on 18 foot bass boat wt about 1950 44mph at 5400 rpm gps 19 pitch prop just don,t get a prop that u risk over revving
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

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By the way: Here is how to get more speed out of a Force 125: Put it on a small flat bottom boat. This Force 125 (marked as an 85 for reasons best left unsaid) Is on a 14 foot hull. It has a 2 to 1 ratio lower unit and is propped to turn 5900 RPM (400 over rated). This engine and hull tops out at 60 MPH.

I have since sold the engine. It is on a pontoon and now tops out at 30.

My 140 is slated to be mounted on the hull in an effort to get up to 65.
 

oxmax360

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Re: 125 Force how to get more speed

Wow Frank, that is a bad *** little boat, I would have marked it at 85 hp to, I know the rasons LOL, I would have loved to take it for a ride, 60 mph feels like 100 mph on the water.
 
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