13 year old stealing money

Tyme2fish

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A friend asked my for advice on how to handle the fact that his 13 year old daughter is stealing money from family members. <br />He is the non-custodial parent and only sees his daughter every other weekend. That may change soon as the daughter has threatened to hit her mother (custodial parent).<br />OK. That's more than one problem. However I asked if the daughter had an allowance of any kind. He replied no and I said that a 13 year old should have some money of their own tied into chores around the house.<br />Confused? I Just want to know how I-boaters would handle a thief in the family.I think he should have a sit down with the ex-wife and daughter and talk through this problem. The two parents need to be on the same page on dealing with her behaviour.<br />All suggestions are welcome
 

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Re: 13 year old stealing money

Well she definetly should have chores and paid an allowance if she does them. There is also no reason that she can't babysit for extra cash either.<br /><br />Not knowing the entire situation its hard to say but striking her mother should get her a month of grounding and butt whoopin. I wouldn't have been able to pick myself up off the ground if I ever did that, not to mention what my father would have done to me.<br /><br />The stealing, well she needs to work it off somehow and be punished severely as well.<br /><br />What is she spending the money on? That might be the question. What is it that she needs so dang bad that she feels compelled to steal for it?
 

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I've got one of those, too (a teenager who steals). <br /><br />Agree about the chores & allowance; but IMHO an allowance isn't compensation for chores. Kids get allowance because they are part of the household, and they do chores because they are part of the household. That way you can withhold allowance as a consequence for bad behavior, but chores must still be done regardless. Or assign extra chores as consequence for bad behavior without increasing allowance. Offering them extra jobs to earn extra money is a good thing. That's just my 2¢ on allowance.<br /><br />But allowance might or might not have any impact on theft.<br /><br />Is it just money she steals?<br /><br />Apart from severe consequences for the theft, including restitution, you really have to address her motivation.<br /><br />I'm assuming this is an ongoing chronic situation, and you've ruled out substance abuse.<br /><br />It's very likely to be a symptom of emotional distress, especially if there's other problems. People sometimes relieve anxiety by doing something wrong...to make themselves feel powerful or guilty or whatever, sounds like psychobabble, but really, people do dumb stuff without really understanding why they do it, and frequently it's because they have some anxiety they don't realize how it's affecting them. If you can find a good counselor for her it can do a world of good. Really. It's an everyday normal kind of thing, doesn't mean she's crazy.
 

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This problem most likely did not just start all of a sudden and most likely will not stop just like that. I don't think there is a silver bullet, so to speak.. It will take time and a consistent hand in correcting and at that age it is harder and will take longer than if the child was 6.<br /><br />This may be an attention getting thing or she may feel apathetic based on the parental relationship.<br /><br />If it were me, and I have some credentials as a father of 4, I would do the following things.. Possibly in this order:<br /><br />1) Sit down as parents with her and explain what she means to you and how proud of her you are, emphasizing her positives<br />2) Explain how disappointed you are with her in this behavior. Emphasize how much this hurts you to see her behaving in self detructing ways. After all you just want her to grow up happy and as successful as she can be<br />3) Explain that you will always be there for her no matter what happens<br />4) Set down the rules that both dad and mom will apply. This behavior is not tolerated and that there will be no playing mom off dad and VV. In our house, everyone is part of the team and must contribute. Provided they contribute, they get spending money and consideration for other things. There is no allowance. It is earned as part of the team. There are opportunities for earning more by picking up extra jobs.<br />5) Explain to her that her life is what she makes of it. Her decisions and paths that she chooses will determine her lot in life. it is a lot easier to start of a good road than to start on a bad one and switch later. You are concerned that she is choosing the wrong road.<br /><br />6) Now the hard part.. stick to the rules and provide the consistent structure over time. don't let her off the hook. Be firm but gentle and loving. This is particularly hard considering the split family.<br /><br />I think this is about as much as you can do. provide the right structure and let her make her decisions. anything forced on her will be a control struggle and ultimatley won't work. I have had the conversation at least a few times. But you need to remember this is a water over the rock kind of change and not a chisel to rock.
 

Tyme2fish

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Re: 13 year old stealing money

Rogerwa, excellent answer.Jtexas, also excellent points.<br /><br />IMO she's being defiant and seeking attention, even if it's "bad" attention.<br /><br />Thanks for the advice. Keep them coming as I will share with my friend. Excellent answers so far.
 

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Hmmm. I raised 3 girls and a son. It is a given that a parent will face a situation as tough as this, or worse. Here is how I handled serious misbehavior.<br /><br />"You are a wonderful person. Your Mom and I love you so much we would gladly die for you if need be. But we have a very tough job, helping you grow up to be a successful and respected member of the community."<br /><br />"This is one of those tough things we have to do. We need to know what you did and why you did it. Then we three need to decide how to make the reasons you did it to go away and be replaced by reasons that you wont ever do it again."<br /><br />Why did she do it? The most common reason children and adolescents steal is insecurity, fear that they aren't valued. The most common reason they do other serious crimes is perceived peer pressure, seeking acceptance among their friends by doing the same, or worse misbehavior.<br /><br />Did it disappoint you or hurt you? Probably, but that is not relevant so none of this, "How can you do this to us?" stuff. She is doing it to herself, not you.<br /><br />A little discussion about behavior and consequences. People, even children, do things that they expect to make them feel better about something, most often themselves. Those "good" consequences need to be valid or they need to be replaced by unpleasant and undesirable consequences. The behavior needs to be replaced by behavior that will generate valid good feelings.<br /><br />Then the closer: "What consequences of what you did do you think will be undesirable enough to ensure that you don't ever want to do it again?" and, "What do we, your Mom and I, need to do to remove the reasons that you did it in the first place?"<br /><br />Handing this responsibility to her should defuse any rebellious hostility and put her in charge of herself and what happens to her, with your support. That will do serious damage to any feelings of helplessness and insecurity.<br /><br />This approach worked very well for us, but we had to accept partial responsibility for her actions by changing whatever we were doing that contributed to her reasons for misbehavior.<br /><br />No yelling, no whining about how disappointed you are, no "punishing" other than the consequences she assigns to herself (with us this was usually more harsh than anything we would have done). She is the only one allowed to be angry, what you and her Mom need to do is calmly exercise leadership.<br /><br />Good luck, T2F. Parenting is a tough job.
 

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Just my 2 cents......<br /><br />Why doe we have to give out allowance? I know that I personaly never got any. Chores were something expected of me by my parents. It was part of being in the household, simple as that. At 13 if I wanted something I'd ask for it, and sometimes I might get it...If not it was put on a christmas or birthdday list. I never complained.......I made my money by cutting grass for a neighbor who was unable to, and they wouldnt let me go without pay.
 

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There are alot of great advise here.. I have a boy and at 7 or 8 he took money from my wallet.. Would you believe that some other kid told him he had the right to go in my purse and take my money and didn't have to ask.. I have to say I wanted to ring that kids neck.. But I also realized that it was going to happen sometime and why not at this age.. He took about $80 dollars and I really don't think he knew what he had done.. I used my brain for once and buffaloed him into getting the money out where it was hidden and return it to me.. I told him that I had found it in his room and if I had to go and retrieve it, the punishment would be much worse than if he would return the money to me now... It worked.. Then I had this to say to him.. I thanked him for bringing me the money, and explained what he did was wrong and that the boy he listened to was not giving him good advise.. Punishment was agreed upon for 1 week with no TV. Next time it happens I will buy garbage cans and make him pack all his toys into them and store them out in the locked shed. That really got a rise out of him.. Becuase I have done it before.. I always tell my son this: You should never have to feel you need to steal or have to take something just becuase you want it.. If you want something you should ask me and we will discuss it. There has been alot of times shopping that I just didn't have the money to get stuff, My son would be disapointed, but from that day he never tried to steal again. It shocked me to hear him say OK mom its alright maybe later. Ya maybe next month son. I got really lucky on that lesson. Stealling has alot to do with being depreived of something. A need that was not met as a child. I hate to say this, but at 13yrs it is harder to get this to stop.. I think the hardest thing is the guidence of the child by the parent..<br /><br />JB and ROGERWA had the best advise here so far..<br />Giving an allowance to a child of 10yrs- teenager is a good thing and makes them handle responsibility in the home and a feeling that what they do is well worthy of a reward..<br />This is part of growing up and being responsible for ones person and how to handle money.. Because when its gone, its gone.. That lesson needs to be learned early, becuase disappointment really sucks... Not having needs met as a child isn't fair.. I think you older people on iboats can agree with this.. I'm sure growing up was alot different in your younger years.. Oh ya, Children were ment to be seen not heard.. I grew up with that from my grandmother.. I didn't have a say so at all..
 

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Re: 13 year old stealing money

Thanks to all for your replies.I e-mailed my friend with all your suggestions. Haven't talked to him yet but I'll let you all know what he decided to do. Thanks again
 

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Originally posted by Pony.:<br /> Just my 2 cents......<br /><br />Why doe we have to give out allowance? I know that I personaly never got any. Chores were something expected of me by my parents. It was part of being in the household, simple as that. At 13 if I wanted something I'd ask for it, and sometimes I might get it...If not it was put on a christmas or birthdday list. I never complained.......I made my money by cutting grass for a neighbor who was unable to, and they wouldnt let me go without pay.
Pony, in my view allowance is like chores...just goes with the territory. Kids can learn valuable lessons at an early age about allocating resources. Also if allowance is tied to chores, the implication is that they can decide to forego allowance to not do the chores. They also have to pay for things like makeup, meals & movies (unless it's a family outing), the price difference between designer sneakers and target brand - stuff we would pay for if they didn't get allowance - gives 'em the opportunity to learn how to make choices. Then, if they want extra funds they'll ask for extra chores, and when they get old enough, work outside the home like you did with the lawn work.<br /><br />I didn't get allowance either, my folks doled out cash as needed, and I did paper routes & other stuff, but I think it would've been better to start out with allowance, I didn't do so well with budgeting & savings & good money management until I was much older.<br /><br />that's just my philosophy. good luck with yours. :)
 

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My son has chores that are required of him, and then he has other "above and beyond" chores he can earn money by doing. So far he hasnt earned any money doing extra. Everytime he asks for money, I point to the list and he quiets down after that.<br /><br />He also gets money or looses money for good grades, 7 for an A, 4 for a B, -2 for a C, and -7 for a D, and we wont discuss what for an F.<br /><br />Ken
 

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KIZ- my parents gave money for good grades as well.<br /><br />For the record, I think either method ( allowance or no allowance) can work very well if and only if executed properly. I see exactly what you are saying Jtexas.....you make some valid points
 

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Pony you must of been quit motivated as a kid.. I wish the kids around here would be like you.. They just like to destroy our country neighborhood. Our neighbor's here are so nice and helpful on this side. Just a few days ago neighbor got his mail box smashed in and and the outside water line was turned on at the county yard.. I knew it was the kids, but really didn't see them do it. They just happened to be around. Well it finally stopped when I caught the little bugger. I was really nice and told him that he keeps setting off my camera alarm and I have to keep resetting it.. I also told him when throwing rocks across someone else's property he should look to the left and smile at cam, and that way his parents won't tell me that their child wouldn't do such a thing like throw rocks.. He and the others got this white look that would of made you LOL. It's funny how they don't walk around the block anymore.. Now his buds call him Rocks.. I didn't rat them out either. It also safely stopped alot of problems.
 

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I think I finally stopped the "change jar withdrawls". We had noticed that the jar kept emptying itself of all but pennies and requested that it stop. My step-daughter (16 at the time) had just got her learner's permit. I...feeling generous had purchased a used car from co-worker that was sitting in driveway (was for her when she got license but not "officially" hers yet). I came home early one day..and caught her with her hand literally in the change jar. Within a week the car was sold and gone. I refused to drive her anywhere and cut the internet cable to her computer. The only thing that stopped me from emptying her room off everything except the bed and desk was the fact that I had plans for that night. <br /><br />My change jar has not been touched since. I think she got the point.<br /><br />-JMW
 

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I too cut the cord off my boys TV when he ignored me asking him something.. I walked off and came back and cut the power cord after ripping it out of the wall. :eek: .was look I got.. Now that I have to say was a PMS moment. It was about aweek after he asked me if I was going to fix it. Ya, when start doing laundry without me asking.. It took another 3 days without underwear to really make it sink in.. At 8yrs old he figured out momma has put the old foot down.. Cord was replaced and TV came back until the next little problem arrised..
 
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