140hp Mercruiser Upper End Power Loss

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I need to get this boat finished and then ready for winter, so before I start tearing things apart (or pulling what is left of my hair out!) I would appreciate a bit of wisdom from anyone who might care to comment. I am confident that the answer is something we are overlooking:

The original engine in this boat was a ?69 120hp. It had an old outdrive that died, so we put the 140 1.98 outdrive in its place. Together they developed good WOT at 3900-4000 RPM. The 140hp came out of a ?72 Starcraft we recently acquired.

Problem: ?72 140hp Mercruiser mated with a ?74 1.98:1 140 outdrive, will develop only +/- 3000 RPM at WOT in open water. Obvious lack of power at WOT.

1. Will run-up well over 4000 RPM in natural - Advances smooth.

2. Outdrive was just removed from 120hp unit and ran well ? Developing full WOT to +/- 3900-4000 RPM.

3. Started out with a 15 1/2 X 19 prop ? Changed out to a 14 1/2 X 17 ? No noticeable change in RPM.

4. Running a mechanical fuel pump with an electrical in line pump. Fuel flow to carb is strong.

5. Compression check ? Warm with carb open - 122/118/125/125.

6. Rechecked/Readjusted valves ? Did a running valve adjustment ? Back off to chatter then turned down slow, quarter at a time, to 3/4 down.

7. Ran open water again ? Still only +/-3000 RPM, only this time noticed what appears to be an intermittent ?miss??

8. Rechecked timing. OK. Ran-up in gear tied off to dock and noted that distributor appeared to be advancing as required.

9. Mercruiser manual call for 3/4 turn down from lash. I note that Selco calls for one full turn down from lash. My gut is to always go with Mercruiser, but thought I would mention it.

10. The boat tach has been checked against a handheld unit and is well within tolerance (+/-200 RPM in the 3-4000 range). The intermittent miss is first started to show up after the valves were readjusted (hummm!). Timing was set in gear at 650 RPM to 6 before TDC.

11. An after thought: As a kid, we use to run an old dirt track hard by advancing timing to the point of max RPM and then if the engine kicked back at start, we would retard the timing just to the point it would start. Any logical comparison to this?

With compression well within range, and valves readjusted, we can only lean towards the distributor or the carb, but again, we am listening!!!!! Thanks in advance for your help.
 

Don S

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Re: 140hp Mercruiser Upper End Power Loss

Did you actually have both fuel pumps on the 120?
You SHOULDN'T need both, I would remove the electric pump and stick with just the manual.
Fuel pump could also be sucking air, or nothing at higher loads and rpm. Try this test:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=167561
Also check the distributor. Is the bushings worn out. Have to assume it's points distributor, so when was the last time for a full tuneup? How was the dwell? Was it steady or did it jump around?
 
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Re: 140hp Mercruiser Upper End Power Loss

Don,

Many thanks for the comments. I think we will try a couple of things:

1. Change out the distributor with one we have on a currently running boat.

2. Cut out the entire fuel line system and plumb in a single six-gallon tank directly to the mechanical fuel pump (taking the electric out of the equation).

If this solves the problem, then we just need to back up one system at a time to find the problem. I hate to be pessimistic; however, assuming after trying 1 & 2 above and the we still fail to reach a solid WOT, any ideas where to look next?

Thanks again - Lane
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: 140hp Mercruiser Upper End Power Loss


Make sure that the dwell & timing are correct on the new dist.....;)
 
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Re: 140hp Mercruiser Upper End Power Loss

My Christmas gift to myself this year is going to be conversion to electronic ignition on all three boats! :D
 

Don S

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Re: 140hp Mercruiser Upper End Power Loss

I hate to be pessimistic; however, assuming after trying 1 & 2 above and the we still fail to reach a solid WOT, any ideas where to look next?

Personally, I think #1 is a streatch, I would probably bet money on a fuel suppy problem.
Could even be as simple as the wrong type hose clamp on the fuel pump.
Those 1/2" wide hose clamps leave a big flat spot where the screw is (Especially on OLD hose and small diameter hose) Use the 1/4" wide MINI clamps and new Type A1 hose.
 
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