150 XP Evinrude will not start

bleazie

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I just purchased a 1989 Lund Tyee with accompanying 1989 150 XP Evinrude. This motor has been started and running twice, once in a tank and once with muffs in the past month.

The starter engages, turns the flywheel without problem.
Engine sounds like it wants to start, however, it fires a couple of times and then stops; pistons fire a couple times.
I checked the fuel pump last night, pulled the hose off it that runs to the carbs and turned the key for a second to start and fuel did come out onto the rag i had under it. The primer seems to work, i hear the click when pushing in the key and it clicks. I've also manually engaged it with no results. (this was able to get the motor started for me originally, see the MORE Background information below). I've also dismantled and cleaned it, though it looked in good condition, no debris in side of it.

The spark plugs look brand new and in good shape.

QUESTIONS:
Is this most likely a fuel system problem?
Is there a chance that there isn't enough fuel getting to the carbs? Is there a way to measure this?
Could the problem be with the starter motor not turning fast enough or long enough? As soon as pistons start to fire, the bendix drops and the motor never starts.

I'm thinking my next steps would be to check the lines running from the fuel pump to the carbs, and then if nothing found there take apart carbs and clean out...possibly put new carb kits in. Am I right in this as correct next steps? Just want to make sure there isn't some other potential other explanation that would be easier to test/rule out first.



MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS MOTOR:

The owner started this motor right up for me when looking at buying the boat and motor a month ago. After pulling it 150 miles home, and a few days later I took it out to the lake to test out my new purchase and it would not start.

Being a first time boat owner, I didn't know about the priming system on the boat. After using this, I was able to get the motor running in a tank at home.

A few days later, I took it out and the motor would not start on the lake. Now I cannot get it to start at home either.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 150 XP Evinrude will not start

Is this engine still functioning as a VRO pump model (plain gasoline - oil in separate tank) or has it properly been converted back to a premix model (50/1 mixture - oil mixed in tank with the gasoline)?
 

bleazie

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Re: 150 XP Evinrude will not start

It is functioning as VRO pump model, separate gas and oil tanks.
 

boobie

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Re: 150 XP Evinrude will not start

Check your spark. It should jump a 7/16" open air gap on a spark tester.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 150 XP Evinrude will not start

It is functioning as VRO pump model, separate gas and oil tanks.

Assuming that you have proper compression and spark..... From what I understand, the engine only runs if the Primer Solenoid is engaged? If so, that indicates fouled carburetors.

The VRO oil tank primer bulb IS NOT to be pumped ever. This oil primer bulb is only pumped up hard when it is first installed or some kind of repair is made that necessitates initial oil priming. Once pumped up hard, it stays that way.... to pump it further will result in raw oil being fed to the carburetors.

Starting Procedure (when all is well):

Pump fuel primer bulb up until it is hard.

I don't think that model has the Fast Start feature so crack the throttle slightly to take the engine off the dead idle setting. (If it has Fast Start, someone will correct me hopefully).

Turn key to the START position and hold the key in to engage the primer solenoid while cranking.

When the engine starts, release the key to the RUN position.

You may need to push the key in momentarily a few times while the engine warms up.

(Fuel Primer Solenoid Function)
(J. Reeves)

The RED lever...... The normal operating/running position is to have that red lever positioned over top of the solenoid and aimed at the other end of the solenoid, gently turned to its stop. This is the normal/automatic mode position. Pushing the key in opens the valve within the solenoid allowing fuel to pass thru it in order to prime and start the engine. Looking upon this solenoid as a electric choke results in a better understanding of it.

Having that red lever turned in the opposite direction, facing away from the solenoid, allows fuel to flow thru it to the crankcase area. One would only turn the red lever to this position in a case where the battery might go dead and the engine had to be started via the rope pull method. Look upon putting the red lever in this position as moving a choke lever on a choke equipped engine to the full closed position. Either one would supply fuel to the crankcase/engine for starting purposes BUT if left in that position while running would flood the engine.

The later model primer solenoids are equipped with a schrader valve, used for attaching a pressurized can of fogging oil etc, available at your local dealership with complete instructions.

Pumping the fuel primer bulb up hard fills the carburetor float chambers of course, but that process also applies fuel pressure to the primer solenoid.

The two small hoses leading from the primer solenoid branch off via tees to each fuel manifold section that would feed fuel to the individual cylinders.

Pushing the key in activates the primer solenoid to allow fuel to flow thru it to the intake manifold passageways. Cranking the engine over causes the fuel pump to engage which in turn sends fuel pulses to the primer solenoid via the 3/8" fuel hose.

Some engines incorporates the "Fast Start" feature which automatically advances the spark electronically so no advance of the throttle is required for starting.
Engines that do not have the "Fast Start" feature will be required to have the throttle advanced slightly.

Starting procedure: pump fuel bulb up hard, crank engine and push the key in at the same time. When the engine fires/starts, release the key so that it falls back to the run position.

Bottom line..... Look upon the primer solenoid as an electric choke.
 
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