16,137

[KaGee]

There were 16,137 murders in the United States in 2004.<br /><br /> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/17/AR2005101700508_pf.html <br /><br />That's 8 times the lives lost since the start of the Iraq war. Where is the outrage?

 

[mrbscott19]

Re: 16,137

Do you really think thats the same thing? There are roughly 10 times as many people in the US as in Iraq, so the murder rate is actually worse % wise in Iraq. But really, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Kalian]

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True, it's apples and oranges, but the biggest difference between the murders here and the deaths in Iraq is that in Iraq they are a constant target. It's a wartime situation and people are TRYING to kill them daily.<br />I think the death toll is low in Iraq. Just ONE death is too many, but how many died in veitnam and korea? A lot more than the death toll in Iraq! The media playing up the death toll propaganda is just contributing to the terrorists propaganda.<br /> Oh, and listen to the media complaining from one side of their mouth that Bush is spending too much money on the war, but from the other side of their mouth they're complaining we need to supply every soldier with body suits and armored vehicles. You can't have your cake and eat it too!

 

[ndemge]

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I'd like to know, of the 16k, how many were drug related?

 

[mikeandronda]

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Wrong mrbscott, it shows that you guys are up in arms about how many of us died to do what we are doing over there but arnt really too worried about whats happing here. Fact is whether the numbers of people are the same it a freakin war there and there is less of our guys dieing over in iraq then our civilans kill here on there own......Im curious to find out the city with the highest murder rate and ho many people were killed there.

 

[rodbolt]

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wow no mention of the innocent Iraqis that died. I guess as they are subhuman they dont count.<br /> is it murder when a driveby shooter hits the wrong target ?

 

[Kalian]

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"is it murder when a driveby shooter hits the wrong target ? "<br /><br /> It's poor gun control. Thats generally what happens when you hold the gun sideways so you can look like a "gangsta"<br /><br />Sorry, Couldn't resist.

 

[Kalian]

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I didn't want my last word on that to be joking so I have to add, it's a shame that those Iraqi's had to die, innocent loss of life is always hard to bear, but I think they are better off now than they were before. Hussein used murder as a regular tool in his goverment, and he would still be doing it today if he hadn't been taken out. The # of the future victims by Hussein would have been exponentialy higher than the # of innocents killed in Iraq. It may be a tragedy, but it is better than the alternative. (Not invading and leaving him in power). It was the right thing to do. Give Bush credit for undertaking something he knew was a political albatross.

 

[pjc]

Re: 16,137

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[rodbolt]

Re: 16,137

hahahah<br /> good one . I like the sights <br />they just need hollywood homing bullets and self refilling magazines as accessories.<br /> yep its a shame those poor afghanies and iraqis had to die, but someone had to, yaha just could not sit like a bump on a log after having been caught asleep. but as long as the oil flows its ok. whats a couple hundred thousand ragheads one way or the other. they are all terroists anyway right?<br />maybe one or two are like you and me and just wish to go to work and go home. if you go outside the states and listen to the news you will see a different slant. that area of the world has been"civilized" for over 5000 years. they have been conqured and crushed then abandonded by about every western religion you can name. all have left, as we will, and life will go on. they know this. but had the wished for a "democratic" govt they would have had one 2000 years ago, o wait, they did, hhhmmm scratch that.<br /> the so called elections of last year there were a farce, similar to the constitutional voting last week. its a sham. you should talk to some of the refugees that had enough money to relocate. caracas and margarita island are full of them. ask their opinion as well.<br /> but as long as its them and theirs that are getting blown apart by errant weapons and people we allowed to cross the borders its ok.<br /> we cant control our borders here, how would you expect to control them there with the meager troop strength we have in the area? its time to poo or get off the pot not sit and read the paper while the house burns.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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SO I guess we should have left Saddam in power?<br /><br />Dammed if we do, dammed if we dont.<br /><br />The USA would greatly improve our image if we just rolled up our borders and pulled our troops out of every country.<br /><br />I bet it wouldnt take 1 week before another world war broke out. Its OK they are used to war. <br /><br />Ken

 

[KaGee]

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How many have been found in mass graves from Saddam?<br /><br />But that's not the point anyway. <br /><br />Logic would dictate that a life is a life, no matter where or how it was lost. If the war protesters are truely concerned about the loss of life in the middle east, where is their out cry over this statistic?? I know where it's at... it dosn't exist.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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So what is the point you are trying to make? People are going to kill people regardless. I guess I really don't understand what it is you are driving at....Jk

 

[jtexas]

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"Where is the outrage?"<br />I'm outraged!<br /><br />But I don't agree that concern about loss of life in the Middle East indicates indifference to murders in the U.S.<br /><br />I bet lots of people have opinions about foreign policy that are completely independent of their views on domestic crime.

 

[mikeandronda]

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We are driving at JK that the number of our troops killed regardless of the successful missions they are completeing is used by the liberal left propaganda machine to put down the war regardless of its need or importiance to the safty of our country.....if it was a democrat in office Id bet my bottom doller....(which aint worth much right now) that there would be alot less opposition to this war from the left. The point is that number is used against bush like he wanted these good brave men to die for what the left says is nothing but I believe almost all of our troops know is something very importiant. How about when some poor downtroden soul who never had a chance to change his life here in the states (sarcasm) has to kill to make a point or so he can get what he deserves or needs(drugs)..... Well the same people who are against this war cuz about 2000 of our men died defending freedom would probably want to put the murderering scum bag in some sort of rehabilitiation program so he could get out and become a left voting, welfare needing, not working dependant on the government...........Ok maybe Im a little hostile today....I will stop here.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Disclaimer! If you are thin skinned stop reading this now! Oh, that....Well...O.K..... I feel for the families of the U.S. soldiers who have given their lives in Iraq. I suppose that you can call it "Defending Freedom"....But I don't think we belong there, though now that we are, we need to 'get 'er done'...Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't we had several congressional committees who have found that there was no direct link between Saddam & Osama....And we didn't find weapons of mass destruction either.....Frankly, if it wasn't one thing, it would be something else....We were going in no matter what anyway...The republican leadership of the last 25 years has had an itchy trigger finger anyway, and I for one am curious as to whoo is next on the menu.....I wish that the republican leadership would just come out and say, "This is who we are, and we want you to be like us"....or else...If Bush Sr. hadn't bungled the first Gulf War we wouldn't need to waste our men, resources & money today...The people we save over there now will be the people that we will fight down the road....The truth is that christianity & Islam don't mix, never have, never will...Anyway, I don't think that we would be over there if a Democrat was in office....As far as the second part....Probably some truth there...I wonder what the percentage of drug/gang related deaths is relative to the total...They can both kill each other for all I care....And that goes for the Iraqi's too....Saddam was doing a fine job for us all by himself...Sorry to say, the only thing there is no shortage of on this planet is people. End of response/rant......JK

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Bush Sr didnt bungle the first war, the UN did.<br /><br />Also, from now on, all enemies of the USA have put on alert. If you dont play nice, we will invade you. PERIOD.<br /><br />Its either invade them, or they will have people drive planes into our buildings. You decide.<br /><br /><br />Ken

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Ken, I think you have confused Iraq with Afganistan. Afganistan was & is justified. ...BushI did drop the ball with regards to Saddam, he should of shown more initiative at that time. You don't get to lead the C.I.A. without killin' a few brown people, and I will never understand why he "wimped out" ...JK

 

[kenimpzoom]

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If you wanna get technical, the war on the Taliban was NOT justified. They didnt organize Al Queda, they just gave them a place to stay.<br /><br />Looking back, Iraq probably wasnt an immediate threat, but still a threat nonethless. Same as Iran and North Korea. I dont know how Palestine didnt get part of the axis of evil, I guess cause they were too busy with Israel.<br /><br />Bush wimped out only at the request of the UN (Yes I agreee it was a mistake). That was back when we were still trying to make the UN work. The next ten years showed us how useless the UN was.<br /><br />Ken

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: 16,137

I agree with most everything you say. Except I think that the Taliban giving safe haven & training space is/was justification in my eyes, even if 9/11 hadn't happened. Why is it that we always get stuck taking out the garbage anyway?...JK