1959 5.5 evinrude fisherman UPDATE!!!!

erik111

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Hey everyone, I just came across this site a while back and I must say it has helped me alot. So long story short I got a wicked deal on a boat and motor that I could not pass up. The motor is a 1959 5.5 evinrude golden jubilee and this thing has me stumped at the moment. This motor now runs like a dream in a tub of water after doing some simple but a little extensive work to it it idles no problem, hits WOT no problem, doesnt leak anything literally runs great in neutral , forward and reverse...but only in a tub of water for some reason. I took it out with one of my friends the other day and it fired up no problem as usual it was under 3 pulls but it had zero power. Full throttle was not there it was like it was bogging so bad .at WOT it was like it was running at only 1/8th throttle basically. ?t was just barley enough to keep up with the wind that was throwing us the other direction so we pulled it in. I went home put it back in the tub of water first pull bang fired up like nothing running like a dream again.

Ill fill you in on the work i did to it....and the things i have not done to it

- Carb rebuild kit (gaskets, packing washers etc it came in a sierra kit) with a detailed diagram on how to put back together

-Single fuel line conversion followed identically to the one duckworthsmagazine.com has written up for this motor

- new intake manifold gasket
The only thing i did not replace was the welsh caps or seals that were provided in the kit. I came across one article saying that it may be the problem but i wanted to get some insight before i tore into the carb again.
I have learned alot with this motor and its not my first time around small engines. My thinking is it must be a something with the fuel or fuel intake. Im not worried about the poibts condensers or coils because it runs no problem when its not under load spark is bright blue lots of cracking when pulled over ignition is out of the question in my opinion but i could be wrong. Anybody that could help me out in any sort of way or has had this same expierence i would greatly appteciate it . The boats just a standard 12 ft aluminum i weigh 175 pounds and my buddy is around the same there no reason this motor shouldnt be moving us along quicker.

Sorry about the long post to who ever reads it thanks in advanced.

As an update compression is running 89 to 90 psi on both top and bottom cylinders.

Coils are brand new I just checked

I know i missed one packing washer on the slow speed needle and it does call for two.

As for throttle timing with choke closed the mark on the timing plate is hitting dead center of the black rubber cylinder on top of the carb.

The only other thing i can think of is fuel ratio what do these motors run on. My old 69 johnson seahorse 9.5 called for 40 :1 and i am sending that tank through this motor is this to much to little?? My oil is shell nautilus 2 cycle premium outboard oil

Still stumped
 

Chinewalker

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Unless you're running 2:1 oil ratio, that motor will at least start and run on whatever gas mix you feed it, so fuel ratio is not why it won't go.

I would start with a cylinder drop test. One at a time, remove a plug wire and ground it against the block. Start motor and note what it does. If it doesn't start at all, it likely wasn't running on the still plugged in cylinder.
 

erik111

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I can confirm that motor will start on one cylinder wether it be top or bottom. I tried it while it was running also the motor doesnt hesitate to start running rough with a plug boot pulled but i did not try to ground anything
 

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Where are your carb settings? With knobs removed, seat both needles, then back them out - 1.5 turns for the low speed (top) and 1 full turn for the high speed (bottom).
 

erik111

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Im wondering if it could be spark plug boots! c they could be arcing at WOT off of the power head possibly dropping a cylinder or creating weak spark for the cylinder to try to fire on i do have the spark plug boots wrapped in electrical tape because they do looked some what dried out. That still doesnt explain the factor of the motor running great untill its under a load though
 

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Possibly the slip clutch / shock absorber is binding.-------This unit is found in the lower unit under the water pump.---------Possibly find some help on that item on ---------leroy's ramblings -------website.
 

erik111

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Chinewalker my carb settings are not that.. i went by the diagram and instructions that came in the sierra carb kit. Slow speed is set to 1 full turn out from gently seated. High speed is set to 2 full turns out from gently seated.
 

racerone

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These are initial setting and with them the motor will run.------You MUST adjust them after the motor is started.---Likely the bottom one ( high speed ) will end up at 3/4 turn out.
 

erik111

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Racerone that shock absorber is kinda worrying. I think the lowet unit is in good condition but i dont know. What are sone of the tell tale signs that the shock absorber is busted?? I dont wsnt to tear into the lower unit with out knowing for sure
 

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Have you adjusted the high speed and slow speed needles ??---Motor still has no power ?---Compression test done ?------Used to run them in the test tank with a test prop.--Motor all tuned up and would idle so nice you did not want to shut it off.----But no power at full throttle.---the shock absorber would bind up as power is applied.
 
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erik111

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Yup compression is running at 90 psi on both cylinders. I will tune and adjust carbs tonight
 

erik111

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So i came home and set a few adjustments on the carb the slow speed needle runs like a dream at idle and its very smooth with minimal vibration.high speed is a little different though i have not quite got it tothe certain point but i have definetly found there is more power by the adjusting of high speed needle..when i went WOT she was smoking alot i added sea foam to the cylinders last pm and some to the tank to rule out any carbon build up once i get the high speed needle set ill try to take it for a run on the boat to see if it propells me quicker then last time...
 

erik111

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So i need to be running at WOT in the boat and settinf the highspeed needle?? Whats the differnce of it being in a tub of water teying to set it ??
 

erik111

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Sorry for the confusion i just read that to set the high speed needle it has to be in gear thanks for heads up
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erik111

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Thats what i thought man. UNTILL these guys helped me out. I have still yet to make it out on the water to fine tune the carb. I have been so busy but from what i can tell even by just slightly adjusting the high speed needle in a tub of water the motor does have alot more power and is so much more responsive.
 
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